Cutting Through the Crap

Bob Simon of 60 Minutes and Jon Stewart are members of the mainstream media who have shown a rare willingness to avoid the party line in discussing the Gaza conflict.

Few issues are more divisive than the Israel-Palestine conflict. The comment boards at Adbusters haven’t seen this much action since the hipster issue. We also received an unusually high number of responses to our recent email broadcast, in which we urged everyone in our Culture Jammers Network to “throw their weight behind Gaza.” Some readers were disgusted with our opposition to Israel’s bombing campaign in Gaza, while others thought we’d be insane to adopt any other view.

This weekend we’d like to draw your attention to two voices in the crowd — two videos which we feel cut through some of the crap.

The first video [link] is Charlie Rose's penetrating interview with 60 Minutes correspondent Bob Simon. Simon lived in Israel for ten years and just got back from an assignment in the West Bank.

The second video [link: US/CA] is Jon Stewart's take on the media's handling of it all. No, it isn't hard-core journalism, but here is at least one 'mainstream' voice that isn't buying the standard line. This clip already done the rounds on the net, but if you haven’t seen it yet, watch it now.

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Anonymous

http://www.tvxs.gr/v3027 plz look at the link. This is the map of Palestine for 1946-2000. This is not a matter of opion or beliefs. While we discuss mothers see their children being killed ... It's not a matter of debate. Stop this war and then discuss as much as you like. THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR WAR. WHEN WE WILL LEARN?

Anonymous

http://www.tvxs.gr/v3027 plz look at the link. This is the map of Palestine for 1946-2000. This is not a matter of opion or beliefs. While we discuss mothers see their children being killed ... It's not a matter of debate. Stop this war and then discuss as much as you like. THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR WAR. WHEN WE WILL LEARN?

Anonymous

The idea that Israel's actions here will serve to cow Hamas into submission is completely absurd. The only realistic outcomes here are that (a) a lot of people will die in Gaza, including many women and children, and that (b) pro-Islamist violence will increase around the world. While killing defenseless Palestinian children, Israel is endangering its own children. It doesn't matter whether Israel is somehow "justified" in carrying out the attack. Only the actual consequences of the attack matter. It seems unlikely that the attack will lessen violence in the Middle East, or that it will serve to protect Israel -- which is, presumably, the point. The only thing Israel will accomplish is the escalation of conflict between Islamic countries, itself, and the West. Israel, the Middle East in general, Europe and the United States will all have to deal with the consequences of that escalation.

Anonymous

The idea that Israel's actions here will serve to cow Hamas into submission is completely absurd. The only realistic outcomes here are that (a) a lot of people will die in Gaza, including many women and children, and that (b) pro-Islamist violence will increase around the world. While killing defenseless Palestinian children, Israel is endangering its own children. It doesn't matter whether Israel is somehow "justified" in carrying out the attack. Only the actual consequences of the attack matter. It seems unlikely that the attack will lessen violence in the Middle East, or that it will serve to protect Israel -- which is, presumably, the point. The only thing Israel will accomplish is the escalation of conflict between Islamic countries, itself, and the West. Israel, the Middle East in general, Europe and the United States will all have to deal with the consequences of that escalation.

Anonymous

Uh huh. And what would that conversation involve? Lemme guess: the two "equal sides" of the "same coin" sitting down and chit chatting about their differences? Come now. You seriously think that hasn't been done before? Really? Are you so naive to think that a good old fashioned chit-chat has ever had any effect on the deeply entrenched and demonstrably one sided campaign of genocide for the past 60 years? Maybe it is time to consider that this isn't best described as two sides of a coin. That the tired metaphor is actually inaccurate. That in fact what you have here is quite simply a very clear case of ethnic cleansing and colonial occupation. A rape. And a rape victim. Hardly the "same coin." Let's not be so lazy as to swallow the propaganda hook, line AND sinker. One thing that will help the Palestinians is the dissemination of accurate information in the U.S and re-contextualization of the fundamental injustice committed by European Zionist on the country of Palestine. Talking is great. Settlements are great. Ceasefire's are great but if they don't address the deeper injustice they wont last. They never do. As history painfully reminds us. Over. And over. And over. And over again. No justice. No peace. It's pretty much a universal law if you haven't noticed.

Anonymous

Uh huh. And what would that conversation involve? Lemme guess: the two "equal sides" of the "same coin" sitting down and chit chatting about their differences? Come now. You seriously think that hasn't been done before? Really? Are you so naive to think that a good old fashioned chit-chat has ever had any effect on the deeply entrenched and demonstrably one sided campaign of genocide for the past 60 years? Maybe it is time to consider that this isn't best described as two sides of a coin. That the tired metaphor is actually inaccurate. That in fact what you have here is quite simply a very clear case of ethnic cleansing and colonial occupation. A rape. And a rape victim. Hardly the "same coin." Let's not be so lazy as to swallow the propaganda hook, line AND sinker. One thing that will help the Palestinians is the dissemination of accurate information in the U.S and re-contextualization of the fundamental injustice committed by European Zionist on the country of Palestine. Talking is great. Settlements are great. Ceasefire's are great but if they don't address the deeper injustice they wont last. They never do. As history painfully reminds us. Over. And over. And over. And over again. No justice. No peace. It's pretty much a universal law if you haven't noticed.

Anonymous

Riiight. That' ol reductionist chestnut. So we can go ahead and assume that you would have said Hitler had a point as well and that complete opposition to the Nazis was merely the work of, what was it you called it? Oh yeah, "self-righteous nut-jobs." ...Ya. Not so much. You might wanna check the strength of your Zionist prescribed meds there sparky.

Anonymous

Riiight. That' ol reductionist chestnut. So we can go ahead and assume that you would have said Hitler had a point as well and that complete opposition to the Nazis was merely the work of, what was it you called it? Oh yeah, "self-righteous nut-jobs." ...Ya. Not so much. You might wanna check the strength of your Zionist prescribed meds there sparky.

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