Cutting Through the Crap

Bob Simon of 60 Minutes and Jon Stewart are members of the mainstream media who have shown a rare willingness to avoid the party line in discussing the Gaza conflict.

Few issues are more divisive than the Israel-Palestine conflict. The comment boards at Adbusters haven’t seen this much action since the hipster issue. We also received an unusually high number of responses to our recent email broadcast, in which we urged everyone in our Culture Jammers Network to “throw their weight behind Gaza.” Some readers were disgusted with our opposition to Israel’s bombing campaign in Gaza, while others thought we’d be insane to adopt any other view.

This weekend we’d like to draw your attention to two voices in the crowd — two videos which we feel cut through some of the crap.

The first video [link] is Charlie Rose's penetrating interview with 60 Minutes correspondent Bob Simon. Simon lived in Israel for ten years and just got back from an assignment in the West Bank.

The second video [link: US/CA] is Jon Stewart's take on the media's handling of it all. No, it isn't hard-core journalism, but here is at least one 'mainstream' voice that isn't buying the standard line. This clip already done the rounds on the net, but if you haven’t seen it yet, watch it now.

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Anonymous

Are you effin kidding me?? This is the best you can do? From all the e-mails you got in response to your e-mail to be vigilant of the corporate/special interest media in it's coverage of the Israeli Massacre?? These two tepid responses are the best that all your thousands of readers came up with? Doubtful. Highly doubtful. Makes one wonder who you guys are really operated by. Watch Norman Finklestien eviscerate Martin "corporate mouthpiece" Indyk on Democracy Now. Since you picked two Jews who allegedly "cut through the bullshit" why not listen to a Jew who doesn't mince his words or mamby-pamby around the real issue here. Listen to a Jew who REALLY cuts through the bullshit! http://www.democracynow.org/2009/1/8/former_amb_martin_indyk_vs_author Have some balls Adbusters. Jeezus what's the point of your magazine anyway? Have you forgotten your whole effin' mission?? Watch "Peace Propaganda and the Promiseland" on youtube for an entirely cogent analysis of western corporate owned media in it's backwards coverage of "Israel" and Palestine. Watch "Occupation 101" on youtube for an overview of the context of the entire conflict. Seriously. Who are you people? Just another Zionist shill organization? At some point you have to see that ANY support of racism and colonialism is impossible if you wish to maintain intellectual integrity at all. There can be zero support of racist, colonialist Zionism including the invention of Israel in the first place. Period. You wouldn't stand for it in South Africa. You wouldn't stand for it in India. You wouldn't stand for it in segregated America. You wouldn't stand for it in Ireland or Tibet or so many other places. So your semi-support of Zionism and Israel is what it is: racism. You see Arabs as less worthy of justice than black South Africans or the Irish or Indians. When you post this Zionist-lite crap as the best of Adbusters you are categorizing yourselves with these two people. Both of whom are Jewish (albeit lefties) and both of whom are Zionists-lite. Tel-Aviv peacniks who poo-poo the settlers to their American friends but secretly enjoy their cushy Judeo-priveldge at the expense of the captive Arab massess exterminated day in and day out for 60 BLOODY YEARS due to the very invention of Israel in the first place in 1948! Call it like it is or stop publishing a magazine that is supposedly free from special interest influence.

Anonymous

Are you effin kidding me?? This is the best you can do? From all the e-mails you got in response to your e-mail to be vigilant of the corporate/special interest media in it's coverage of the Israeli Massacre?? These two tepid responses are the best that all your thousands of readers came up with? Doubtful. Highly doubtful. Makes one wonder who you guys are really operated by. Watch Norman Finklestien eviscerate Martin "corporate mouthpiece" Indyk on Democracy Now. Since you picked two Jews who allegedly "cut through the bullshit" why not listen to a Jew who doesn't mince his words or mamby-pamby around the real issue here. Listen to a Jew who REALLY cuts through the bullshit! http://www.democracynow.org/2009/1/8/former_amb_martin_indyk_vs_author Have some balls Adbusters. Jeezus what's the point of your magazine anyway? Have you forgotten your whole effin' mission?? Watch "Peace Propaganda and the Promiseland" on youtube for an entirely cogent analysis of western corporate owned media in it's backwards coverage of "Israel" and Palestine. Watch "Occupation 101" on youtube for an overview of the context of the entire conflict. Seriously. Who are you people? Just another Zionist shill organization? At some point you have to see that ANY support of racism and colonialism is impossible if you wish to maintain intellectual integrity at all. There can be zero support of racist, colonialist Zionism including the invention of Israel in the first place. Period. You wouldn't stand for it in South Africa. You wouldn't stand for it in India. You wouldn't stand for it in segregated America. You wouldn't stand for it in Ireland or Tibet or so many other places. So your semi-support of Zionism and Israel is what it is: racism. You see Arabs as less worthy of justice than black South Africans or the Irish or Indians. When you post this Zionist-lite crap as the best of Adbusters you are categorizing yourselves with these two people. Both of whom are Jewish (albeit lefties) and both of whom are Zionists-lite. Tel-Aviv peacniks who poo-poo the settlers to their American friends but secretly enjoy their cushy Judeo-priveldge at the expense of the captive Arab massess exterminated day in and day out for 60 BLOODY YEARS due to the very invention of Israel in the first place in 1948! Call it like it is or stop publishing a magazine that is supposedly free from special interest influence.

UK

ha ha. That's the lovely thing about a moderate position. It pisses off everyone. Now let's hear a fanatical response from the pro-Israeli faction. I'm making popcorn.

UK

ha ha. That's the lovely thing about a moderate position. It pisses off everyone. Now let's hear a fanatical response from the pro-Israeli faction. I'm making popcorn.

Anonymous

Cute little Zionist troll. The thing is it isn't "moderate" to support Colonialism and racism. Its categorically unacceptable. Oh that's right you're in the UK the inventor of such colonialism. So the point is obviously lost on racists like you. One of the cardinal myths of "Israel" is that it is acceptable in some form; a watered down form I presume. This is patently absurd. It's not only intellectually but morally untenable. Israel is a crime in and of itself. This isn't left wing or right wing. Would you call defeating the Nazis left wing? How about overthrowing Aprtheid in South Africa? Left wing? Right wing? Or simply justice served. The kind of reductionism you've bought into is a ruse by the Zionist/Jewish Establishment to make you believe you only have a choice between Zionism-heavy or Zionism-lite. They must try as hard as possible to convince you of this for the survival of their preposterous experiment to thrive. The reality is that Zionism, like Apartheid and Nazism and Colonialism is wrong on the whole and has no place in this world. You have only to examine the facts to see that this is already the case: Israel cannot survive. They have nowhere to go. In ten years the non-Jews will outnumber the Jews in "Israel." The whole world is outraged at the Nazi-like behavior of Jewish policy in Palestine and a total genocide is out of the question. True democracy would instantly throw the Zionists out of power because non-Jews would vote them out in a heartbeat. The Zionist "government" of "Israel" cannot survive a peace deal with Palestine for fear of a fatal schism amongst Jews. So what choice do they have except to stall indefinitely as they have been doing for 60 years. They have no way out. They will eventually burn out like the miserable holocaust that they are. Go ahead and pop your corn but what ever you tell your children when "Israel" is finally recycled don't dare try to say you had anything to do with. Tell them rather that like the passive Germans under Hitler you sat idly by while children were murdered in your name and in front of your face. While you ate pop-corn and grinned.

Anonymous

Cute little Zionist troll. The thing is it isn't "moderate" to support Colonialism and racism. Its categorically unacceptable. Oh that's right you're in the UK the inventor of such colonialism. So the point is obviously lost on racists like you. One of the cardinal myths of "Israel" is that it is acceptable in some form; a watered down form I presume. This is patently absurd. It's not only intellectually but morally untenable. Israel is a crime in and of itself. This isn't left wing or right wing. Would you call defeating the Nazis left wing? How about overthrowing Aprtheid in South Africa? Left wing? Right wing? Or simply justice served. The kind of reductionism you've bought into is a ruse by the Zionist/Jewish Establishment to make you believe you only have a choice between Zionism-heavy or Zionism-lite. They must try as hard as possible to convince you of this for the survival of their preposterous experiment to thrive. The reality is that Zionism, like Apartheid and Nazism and Colonialism is wrong on the whole and has no place in this world. You have only to examine the facts to see that this is already the case: Israel cannot survive. They have nowhere to go. In ten years the non-Jews will outnumber the Jews in "Israel." The whole world is outraged at the Nazi-like behavior of Jewish policy in Palestine and a total genocide is out of the question. True democracy would instantly throw the Zionists out of power because non-Jews would vote them out in a heartbeat. The Zionist "government" of "Israel" cannot survive a peace deal with Palestine for fear of a fatal schism amongst Jews. So what choice do they have except to stall indefinitely as they have been doing for 60 years. They have no way out. They will eventually burn out like the miserable holocaust that they are. Go ahead and pop your corn but what ever you tell your children when "Israel" is finally recycled don't dare try to say you had anything to do with. Tell them rather that like the passive Germans under Hitler you sat idly by while children were murdered in your name and in front of your face. While you ate pop-corn and grinned.

UK

Thought process of self-righteous nutjobs everywhere: 'My opinion = absolute, objective truth' Seek professional help.

UK

Thought process of self-righteous nutjobs everywhere: 'My opinion = absolute, objective truth' Seek professional help.

Anonymous

Just people insulting each other after misunderstanding each other intentionally so they can rant about their own highly skewed and divergent perspective. Entertaining, but not getting us anywhere in terms of rational dialogue. Maybe we should try to listen to each other. Certainly would help the situation in Palestine.

Anonymous

Just people insulting each other after misunderstanding each other intentionally so they can rant about their own highly skewed and divergent perspective. Entertaining, but not getting us anywhere in terms of rational dialogue. Maybe we should try to listen to each other. Certainly would help the situation in Palestine.

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