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Chilean Students Ignite

23 year-old Camila Vallejo strikes the match.

Waves of unrest are sweeping through Chile. Led by the youth, this burgeoning revolution, which started as a protest for access to education, now threatens to overrun the governing neo-classical economic paradigm.

URL: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2012/jan/13/chilean-protester-cami...

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Anonymous1

a system that failed and caused 100's of millions of deaths... yeah lets use that model for political reform!

AnonymousUS

When I was little, I understood some of my relatives and their peers died fighting Communists. Pardon me, won't you, if I prefer to be associated to the bravery of my relatives sacrifice than to the ideals of an ideology that cost them their lives?

Or, am I not supposed to think about things on a personal level at all? I'm sorry, but an ideology that requires I disassociate myself from the sacrifice and bravery of my own blood and that of their peers is not one I will adopt. Ever.

Anonymous

Did you not put into consideration that the ideology that your relatives were fighting was one on foreign soil? How much communists countries think about all the Americans that arrived in their country and fought their revolution, in order to preserve ideas and an economic system that benefits them. Im pretty sure your relatives didnt invade that country because politicians wanted to bring freedom and rights to that country, they really just wanted to continue too exploit that country for as long as possible.

pardon my punctuation, its a french computer.

AnonymousDickster

Oh that's fantastic bro'. Toss in a little objectification of a female leader whenever possible. Makes you look totally credible!

Think with your dick much?

Julio Esquavez

All this talk of pacifism, the ghandi model ... what are you going to do if the state starts killing you? will you take up arms? will you block the streets with your bodies?

Anonymous1

Non- violence will not effect all the change that is necessary. Violent
confrontation is about the only tool left in the box.
The system is not broken it is fixed?

namanaman

I am not sure what the exact circumstances with Chile regarding education is but i assume it may relate to access and cost of it.

Unfortunately having access to education has its own conundrum. People demand access and here in Australia its available to all but it is now a business whereas the higher the turnover of students there is, the more money is earned from tertiary education providers without worrying there is a surplus of supply of labour but lack of jobs. One thing i notice on average is that you get more mediocre students graduating because they are entitled to it and weakens the education system as its overloaded with too many students to teachers; a poorer experience competitively for a student to thrive better surrounded by mediocre students; and it is a fact that most people don't enter the field they studied.

One other thing, i noticed about these protest, its all about wanting change BUT there is a lack of a viable action plan to change the way the current system works that is an alternative model that is functional. Its like saying to someone who has been obese their whole life "go lose weight" and criticise them without providing any constructive opinions HOW to do so. This is where collective wisdom should be invested in, HOW.

AnonymousStudent

There are some very serious problems with colleges. One of them is to keep you in college for as long as possible. The other is the intense relationship with business. It's not unusual, for example, to have a school calling itself a 'Cisco Academy'. So potential students are forced to study a particular technology and the makers of that technology send money the schools' way. Colleges are about profits, not learning for its own sake ( god forbid! ). Mentoring and journeying and skilled trades programs now typically suffer, although that is changing somewhat as we see a retiring generation of welders, plumbers, electricians etc.

Too often, students are sidetracked or otherwise mired in the bad advice of staff advisors or are forced, as stated above, to study Tech_X because that's 'what's in demand'. The message is: education is about money and that's about it. So Joe or Jane wind up in long term study that exacts heavy loans and debts and there is NO GUARANTEE of any particular field, not even medicine. Anything that can be automated or cheapened, will be. But colleges don't really think about the future in idealistic terms as we think they used to be.

The money trap has caused the deflation value of even higher degrees. Compare and contrast the worth of a B.S. degree in 1960 and today. A bachelor's today has not gained in value and can be even compared, generally, in dollar worth to the community college A.S. of just a few years ago. And the A.S. itself has all the value of a GED today. Many factories demand even an A.S. now where once your own literacy may not even have been necessary.

So telling people or encouraging them to get seriously invested in college is almost insisting they become PhD's in their chosen discipline. Well, most people MIGHT be better served to go ahead and stay in school living on peanut butter and ramen noodles for awhile, like many active duty service men and women would be better served to stay put till the job market improves. Which is, in fact, part of the 'How' process of answers. And simply sitting tight is not enough. You are going to have to EXCELL and stand out amongst your peers. Much of this is driven by profit and current insecurity and geopolitical instability. Turning to Communism won't help this problem, sorry.

Frankly, choosing between utter poverty or being able to go to school all the time ought to be an obvious choice. Degrees are already devalued, but I don't know anyone sane who values living under a bridge more than having SOME PLACE to call 'home', to have a safe place to sleep. It probably also means having to contend with communal living for longer, such as roommates or living with family when you may think you should be on your own.

One of the problems with 'free education' is that it's a misnomer. Education was often not really free. Petrarch could never have gone to law school in Padua if it weren't for his familial roots, and the same may be said for any Kennedy ( though Petrarch could've likely thought circles around most of them lol ). The problem with 'everyone gets a free education', though, is that you WILL get people who do not want to graduate and stay, so to speak, tied to mommy's purse strings or umbilical cord.

For example, what's to stop an unmotivated professional student from continually changig academic paths until they're at retirement age just so they don't have to get out 'in the real world' of hard knocks and dumb management?

It's not a matter, either, of raising academic standards, though that would be a step in the right direction IMHO. Ivy league schools have long had criteria of high LSAT scores, but on top of that there's also a culture of 'who you know'. Merely graduating from some of these schools is enough to secure a job. Is that good, or bad? In any event, the culture of 'allumni' is next to impossible to legislate, so even if you have free education for all, the better paying jobs or enviable jobs are still going to be about who you know and what you do for them.

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