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Black Bloc

Violence or nonviolence: where do you draw the line?

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On Feb 6, America author and Occupy activist Chris Hedges wrote a piece for Truthdig.com titled “The Cancer in Occupy.” In it he criticized the violent actions of Black Bloc operatives within the movement, saying they are the greatest threat to the future of Occupy. The article has generated a heated debate online about non-violence, political strategy and protest in America, and has garnered a response by Anarchist thinker Dr. Zakk Flash.

Read both articles and weigh-in.

The Cancer in Occupy by Chris Hedges

The Black Bloc anarchists, who have been active on the streets in Oakland and other cities, are the cancer of the Occupy movement. The presence of Black Bloc anarchists—so named because they dress in black, obscure their faces, move as a unified mass, seek physical confrontations with police and destroy property—is a gift from heaven to the security and surveillance state. The Occupy encampments in various cities were shut down precisely because they were nonviolent. They were shut down because the state realized the potential of their broad appeal even to those within the systems of power. They were shut down because they articulated a truth about our economic and political system that cut across political and cultural lines. And they were shut down because they were places mothers and fathers with strollers felt safe.

URL: http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/the_cancer_of_occupy_20120206

Hedging Our Bets on the Black Bloc by Dr. Zakk Flash

Chris Hedges has written some of the most insightful analysis of the U.S. war machine in recent years. His 2009 book “The Empire of Illusion” was an exploration of how exhibition has eclipsed truth and meaningful connection in American society. His acknowledgment of the ease in which one can buy into such spectacles is a small part of why it was so odd to read his article on Truthdig attacking both anarchists and black bloc tactics entitled “The Cancer in Occupy.”

URL: http://news.infoshop.org/article.php?story=20120207100008741

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Anonymous

I'm not sure when breaking shop windows became WAR.

But if it is, then the cops shoot start using real bullets and talks and start blwing goddamn heads off.

Anonymous

Nobody declares war on the USA!

I don't care if you're Davey Crocket and George Washington's cloned siamese twins.

War declared on USA = Nuclear Desctruction for you.

Don't mess with the best.

Anonymous

It's simple, violence will destroy and marginalize the movement by alienating the other 99% and turning them toward supporting a police state crackdown. Violence is never justified because you become the thing you actually resent. Violence is banal behavior of the lowest common denominator while intelligence and strength is required to remain and exercise nonviolence. Nonviolence speaks to the highest ideals of the one's mind.

You don't need a black panther style movement because the majority of the people are on your side already especially if the movement is about justice, fairness and non-violence. It a false equivalent to compare the two.

Plus I can stand another second of anarchist egocentric psycho-babble.

Anonymous

Blah blah blah. It's how "violence" or property destruction is organized. Is it organized on authoritarian grounds or democratic grassroots grounds?

Anonymous

If violence really discredits, marginalizes and destroys a movement, why aren't the police discredited, marginalized and destroyed? Why hasn't the state (the main source of most violence) been destroyed a long time ago?

Anonymous

It's simple, violence will destroy and marginalize the movement by alienating the other 99% and turning them toward supporting a police state crackdown. Violence is never justified because you become the thing you actually resent. Violence is banal behavior of the lowest common denominator while intelligence and strength is required to remain and exercise nonviolence. Nonviolence speaks to the highest ideals of the one's mind.

You don't need a black panther style movement because the majority of the people are on your side already especially if the movement is about justice, fairness and non-violence. It a false equivalent to compare the two.

Plus I can stand another second of anarchist egocentric psycho-babble.

Anonymous

Very well said, I cannot stand another second of egocentric psychobabble, now let us look who is really engaged in violence in our nation and verify that is precisely the 1% the people who have made the oath, that they will keep the "violence of the 1%" a secret from the world, and then you will realize that those who have "the power of the state" routinely act in "very violent ways" in order to "marginalize" the 99 % that are under their dominion, I am of course not suggesting by any means that we should imitate their violent actions for then we become like unto them, and a "new cycle of violence ensues" where the new violent dictators again exercise violence against innocent protesters that protest their new usurpation of power, this is a vicious cycle, and does not "improve governance" but merely results in more evil and more violence being perpetrated all over the globe!

I refer to George Soros who stated that the actions of people in Syria, and in Tunesia and in the socalled Arab Spring may well repeat themselves here in the US, HE KNOWS more than he is letting on, he knows that the people who "murdered the international Jew" MR HENRY FORD and his cronies from the AASROF are still in power today, and therefore he knows also that the "council of learned Elders in ZION" had to be created in order to "give a response to a fool, who is wise in his own conceit", the

1% have told me:

a) THE SWORD IS MIGHTIER THAN THE PEN,
b) IF WE MURDER YOU WE WILL NOT COMMIT A CRIME, for you advocate regime change through non-violent protest!
c) We can take everything you have, your house, your car, and your wife, your children and all that you possess, and there is not a "single thing you can do about it"!
d) Now I am not like JOB, who merely goes out and complains to the highest Authority of the Universe,
for I know that God did not institute the violent oppression of the poor by the 1% of the kings, and there are about 2.5 million people here in the United States that have sworn the "evil pirate oath" meaning they have promised to keep "murder and treason a secret" at their own option of course, for those of you who want to argue this point read the "letters of John Quincy Adams to the High Priest of Freemasonry" MR LIVINGSTONE, and you will find out what I mean!

e) J.Q. Adams, was deceived about the kind and generous kings of the mystic tie or so they say in their own encyclopedia of Freemasonry by MR MACKEY, now what could he have been deceived about:

1. About the fact that a murder was committed during his administration that was covered up all the way to the top of the state of New York, the special prosecutor who was assigned to handle the case finally resigned, giving as a reason:

Due to lack of sympathy and support from the chief executive of the State of New York, a "SCOTTISH RITE MASON" MR De Witt Clinton!

2. Perhaps he was deceived about the "Oath that no christian gentleman should swear" as he called it, that requires people to "keep secret the mysteries of freemasonry" that consist of "egytian mysteries" who speak of a "cutthroat God" who cuts the throat of other gods!

All this and more has been "suppressed" by the 1% who claim that "murdering a person for the oath's sake" is both good and moral and that this "dissolute character" William Morgan simply was "dishonorable" for not keeping his promise to not disclose the "secrets of abominable wickedness"!

3. Perhaps he was deceived about the "brutal penalties" of this fraternity of kings, perhaps "cutting the throat from ear to ear" is really not "brutal but kind and benevolent" and a quick way to "silence regime critics" therefore it "should be encouraged" as a "wonderful way to silence those who have moral scruples" and believe that government of by and for the people should result in "kings who are not just kind and benevolent but also nonviolent"?

4, Needless to say kings throughout their history have been "anything but kind", even the kings who were appointed by God and his prophets were not always kind:

I could mention the disobedience of Saul that lead to his defeat by the Philistines, or the murder of the Hittite Uriah in order to get a woman the king David desired, therefore I conclude that "evil kingship oaths" are a sure way to "result in immoral and wicked corruption" that results in unequal distribution of wealth throughout the entire world!

5. Perhaps John Quincy Adams was deceived when he stated that FREEMASONRY IS THE SEED OF EVIL and a "wicked conspiracy" or perhaps better yet, he was a "religious fanatic" after all that was what I was told when I stated that "global warming" is not a result primarily of too much CO2 in the atmosphere but instead the result of the "unrighteous dominion of evil kings" who are "wicked"!

6 Or perhaps he was deceived about the fact that the murders of Naval Purser Timberlake, the murder of Vincent Foster, the Murder of Princess Diana and the murder of six million Jews were never really prosecuted to the point where the "actual instigators" of these murders were found and punished, because after all, it is "not right" for evil kings to be punished for they are the KINGS THAT CAN DO NO WRONG, or so they did identify themselves as to me when I went to a kingman lodge and asked these kings who they were!

Now you can "argue this point to the infinite end" and realize that NO it is not right to render evil for evil and injustice for injustice, but it is "both right and good" to end evil unrighteous dominion by the few who oppress and murder the many with impunity, even Ben Franklin clearly warned us of the tendency of his evil kingship fraternity to exercise unrighteous dominion, this is what he stated:

BOLD VIOLENT AND SELFISH KINGS, will push themselves into the US government and will become our rulers, and the time will come when the US government will become as venal and oppressive as the government from whence it sprang, now why would this be, unless that same evil kingman conspiracy that is the basis of the "BRITISH SYSTEM OF JUSTICE" also has infiltrated and taken over our own government as well, and I assure you it has!

We live in a "feudalistic government" as Julian ASSANGE properly defined those who have used their power and their money to "exempt themselves" from global justice, while at the same time extracting all they they can from those who cannot exempt themselves from the laws that were created by the evil kings in order to "soak the poor", it is raining outside where I am at, and I have not been soaked today, but in order to "soak the poor" all one has to do is to "give the power of the state" into the hands of the rich and the powerful kings, while the "poor are being robbed" on a routine basis, if the poor object then that is "ANARCHY" and if they revolt, then that is "terrorism" clearly a "very convenient way for evil rich people" to hide their evil oppression that they have been engaging in since the first martyr was slain by the first "hostile takeover specialist" called CAIN!

Greed is good they say, yep, I say it has been "very good to these evil kings" who are now enthroned in matter, and say:

We love matter, it has been good to us, we sit on all the gold on the globe and we make the rules for he who has the gold, rules by the "GOLDEN RULE" as a leader of the Scottish club said about JCPENNY and claimed it was the "golden RULE STORE"!

John Pierpoint Morgan is another case in point, did he not state:

ALL THE MONEY IN CHRISTENDOM cannot control money, how right he was that is why these evil kings have infiltrated the FBI in the form of "J. EDGAR HOOVER" and his second in command who rose so quickly from the ranks that a "suspicion he was promoted because he belonged to the same fraternity of evil kings of the mystic tie", cannot be circumvented! THE GOOD OLD BOY NETWORK, it is still so alive and well, and one mason was "stupid enough to admit it to me" he stated:

If you were a mason, let us say, and I had a job, I might hire you because of the principles that you believe in, there you go, an admission of a willingness to play favorites with those who have sworn to "keep secret the secrets of a worthy brother, murder and treason excepted and those at his own option"!

Now all of you out there who have still any illusions about the justice of such an evil system of global oppression, let me make it perfectly clearly it is about as just as the "INFERNO" of Dante,and therefore I cannot state for one moment that "VIOLENCE IS JUSTIFIED" for it simply it is not, and neither is the violence of these evil kings justified that have committed genocide by the millions of people and then blamed either the "GERMAN PEOPLE", or the "INTERNATIONAL JEW" or the Satanic Verses meaning the Koran for their "VIOLENT OPPRESSION OF THE WORLD" and the resulting "just compensation" by the UNIVERSE that will no longer look the other way but instead says:

BECAUSE YOU HAVE MADE A COVENANT with death and with hell you are in agreement, therefore the "HAIL SHALL SWEEP AWAY" the refuge of lies and water shall cover the hiding place!

See Isaiah Chapter 28 for those who do not know where that is written!

I hereby "order the publication of the book" by the International JEW, MR JOSHUA BETHEL and I hereby state that "VIOLENCE IS NOT JUSTIFIED" in order to "force the publication of this book" but everything short of a "violent overthrow of the government of evil kings who have made an evil pirate oath" is both right and justified for like the Atomic Power no thanks movement in Germany the GREEN Party in Germany stated at the beginning when it was just a "citizens initiative" when "RIGHT TURNS INTO WRONG" then resistance is not "futile" but becomes the "highest moral duty"!

Anonymous

If violence really discredits, marginalizes and destroys a movement, why aren't the police discredited, marginalized and destroyed? Why hasn't the state (the main source of most violence) been destroyed a long time ago?

Anonymous

Until we stop conflating corporate property destruction with armed rebellion, we can't even begin a serious discussion!

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