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Occupy Wall St. vs Fox News

Jesse LaGreca talks about his encounter with Fox News.

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Anonymous

Did anyone see fox show Bulls and Bears 10-15-2011 , commentator Charles Gasporino said
wallstreet protestors smell. Did anyone ever see him on the street.
What an Ahol# he and fox are are for putting him on.

Anonymous

Did anyone see fox show Bulls and Bears 10-15-2011 , commentator Charles Gasporino said
wallstreet protestors smell. Did anyone ever see him on the street.
What an Ahol# he and fox are are for putting him on.

Anonymous

The purpose of this post is to emphasize my irritation for the media fueled HYPE of the “Wall Street Protests”. I have no problem with peaceful protests. This is not about the method of protest, rather the message of the protesters.

If those people feel they are the 99%, and they are going to stomp around and demand some kind of attention, then they better have an actual plan. PROBLEM IS I’ve never heard a sensible plan. What really bothers me is the emphasis. Observe the recent “unrest” in London. Clearly there is a danger to encouraging entitlement mentality based programs. People get to the point where they EXPECT little nuances such as: great paying jobs, excellent benefits, job security, excellent education, health care benefits, etc. If everyone had the mentality of the “99% on Wall Street protesting, nobody would be fronting the tax bill for all the entitlement spending. Society would implode and there would be significant unrest. Even Karl Marx figured that one out.

The reality is that the wealthiest pay MOST of the taxes. Think of it as a fulcrum with a board on it. If more and more people pile into the “entitlement minded” and fewer and fewer “corrupt rich people” exist, then who do you expect will shoulder the cost of these “free” handouts?

**Two important notes:

1) NOTHING is free
2) Poverty, discrimination, wrong doing, and inefficiencies will always exist because HUMAN BEINGS are innately flawed.

I think you’re taking a lot of things for granted. Let’s consider the dynamics of capitalism shall we. Watch this video and then think about it for a moment.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWsx1X8PV_A

Curious that you would criticize my statement for the points you did. I am not claiming that poverty does not exist. I am not stating that the government cannot reduce poverty. I am not claiming that there isn’t a mal-distribution of opportunities. I’m not perpetrating that discrimination based on age, gender, sex, preference, etc, etc DOES NOT EXIST.

I am taking ALL of those variables into consideration, and I’m telling you that I’m disgusted to see an “Entitlement” mentality emerging in our country. This is NOT limited to those who abuse government subsidies, but extends to the very mindset young college kids have about future job employment.

There is no such thing as a guarantee, and if young people don’t get their heads out of their asses and really take to heart the opportunities that DO EXIST (regardless of how narrow or wide ranging). Then you are going to see this dissatisfaction spread. It is a result of lofty expectations. How can an average student with average ambitions and an average degree, REALLY expect to make 50k right out of college? I mean, look at how globally integrated the labor market is. This equates to SIGNIFICANT labor market competition!

**NOW is it absurd for these people to get upset that they are somehow being unjustly treated by these “insidious” institutions.
The reality of the situation is simple:

If you don’t have the right skill-set which the current labor market demands, then you will have a HELL of a hard time finding work. The logical solution to this dilemma is to obtain the necessary skills, so as to alleviate the problem. Instead, the entitlement minded want to BLAME the successful in our country.

Instead what we see: http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/10/16/us-protests-idUSTRE79E0FC20111016

What really galvanizes my outlook on these protests isn’t the basis for their dissatisfaction. IT IS how they are targeting institutions for somehow not creating equality? I mean… what planet do these people live on? An institution such as a bank or a fortune 500 company is an entity which is self preserving. For this very reason, the institution must operate in an environment. Guess who pulls the strings on how the environment operates???? That’s right you guessed it; the good old politicians of America.

Now, have the politicians taken the heat for a stubbornly high unemployment rate? How have the politicians (both liberal and conservative) addressed and answered for this volatile economic environment?

Does social welfare plan to eliminate poverty? Over the last 40 years has poverty been mitigated? Government spending to address it has bloated…. So WTF is going on there?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GklCBvS-eI

THERE ARE JOBS, but they exist for those who have ambitions, dreams and motivations which propel them along. How can you argue this logic with an exception?

The exception: People who are discriminated against unjustly for whatever reason deserve to be rewarded.

Let’s say you hold constant the people who fuck up their lives and make poor decisions. The pool of individuals left is truly wronged. These truly wronged people want to have equal opportunity. How can society compensate these individuals for being ill bodied and wronged?

The Solution: Lol… IT ALREADY EXISTS and it’s called the court of law! You punish firms who discriminate illegally. Not with the horse shit Obama legislation (companies that interview and don’t hire get sued for discriminating long term unemployed). You have to actually commit a wrong. Companies SHOULD hire the best candidate. I’m all for competition because it mitigates negligence. So YEAH some people are better crafted for certain jobs…

Punch Line: Insinuating that Institutions should take sole responsibility for the housing market bubble in 2008 is ignorant. The current economic environment is NOT going to placate from increased government spending on entitlements. The people protesting on Wall Street have no real basis for protesting equity distribution in America. The people protesting on Wall Street should REALLY learn how banking actually works before they make social warfare a central driver. The people protesting on Wall Street SHOULD NOT falsely claim to represent ANY significant portion of “disgruntled” American demographic. It is nonsense!

The imagery arising out of this mockery is an absolute disgrace. Want to address poverty??? Well DO SO in a fashion that actually impacts people positively. Go open a business, go start a company, be productive, contribute to society, express your ideas about technology and innovation, utilize the ease of access to information that we have as a great nation, inspire others to work hard, save your money and pay off your debt, make wise consumer decisions, BE FORWARD LOOKING.

*In life… there are sheep and there are the dynamics of chess, sheep get slaughtered for simply following the general flow, fear drives sheep and sheep can easily be controlled. The people protesting on Wall Street are sheep.

The pawns are the people like myself who WILL have a job by the time they graduate because they think 4, 5, 6 moves in advance and they plan, anticipate and gauge the variables at play and they articulate their expectations accordingly.

I will ask a simple question. WHY should people like me, be increasingly penalized for pursuing success? What right, does ANYONE have to tell me I’m too successful and too greedy and too knowledgeable? I’m more concerned about individuals, governments and groups manipulating the masses into BLINDLY assailing corporations for all their woes. This… in itself is a disgrace.

Think about that before you come at this issue with “exceptions”. Exceptions mean nothing to me and they CERTAINTLY should not be the basis for penalizing success. The success is what supports the structure and it is what motivates the masses. You take that… and good luck with entitlements. You wanna chop off the legs of society and somehow expect to spring instead of crawl? It is nonsense

Anonymous

The purpose of this post is to emphasize my irritation for the media fueled HYPE of the “Wall Street Protests”. I have no problem with peaceful protests. This is not about the method of protest, rather the message of the protesters.

If those people feel they are the 99%, and they are going to stomp around and demand some kind of attention, then they better have an actual plan. PROBLEM IS I’ve never heard a sensible plan. What really bothers me is the emphasis. Observe the recent “unrest” in London. Clearly there is a danger to encouraging entitlement mentality based programs. People get to the point where they EXPECT little nuances such as: great paying jobs, excellent benefits, job security, excellent education, health care benefits, etc. If everyone had the mentality of the “99% on Wall Street protesting, nobody would be fronting the tax bill for all the entitlement spending. Society would implode and there would be significant unrest. Even Karl Marx figured that one out.

The reality is that the wealthiest pay MOST of the taxes. Think of it as a fulcrum with a board on it. If more and more people pile into the “entitlement minded” and fewer and fewer “corrupt rich people” exist, then who do you expect will shoulder the cost of these “free” handouts?

**Two important notes:

1) NOTHING is free
2) Poverty, discrimination, wrong doing, and inefficiencies will always exist because HUMAN BEINGS are innately flawed.

I think you’re taking a lot of things for granted. Let’s consider the dynamics of capitalism shall we. Watch this video and then think about it for a moment.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWsx1X8PV_A

Curious that you would criticize my statement for the points you did. I am not claiming that poverty does not exist. I am not stating that the government cannot reduce poverty. I am not claiming that there isn’t a mal-distribution of opportunities. I’m not perpetrating that discrimination based on age, gender, sex, preference, etc, etc DOES NOT EXIST.

I am taking ALL of those variables into consideration, and I’m telling you that I’m disgusted to see an “Entitlement” mentality emerging in our country. This is NOT limited to those who abuse government subsidies, but extends to the very mindset young college kids have about future job employment.

There is no such thing as a guarantee, and if young people don’t get their heads out of their asses and really take to heart the opportunities that DO EXIST (regardless of how narrow or wide ranging). Then you are going to see this dissatisfaction spread. It is a result of lofty expectations. How can an average student with average ambitions and an average degree, REALLY expect to make 50k right out of college? I mean, look at how globally integrated the labor market is. This equates to SIGNIFICANT labor market competition!

**NOW is it absurd for these people to get upset that they are somehow being unjustly treated by these “insidious” institutions.
The reality of the situation is simple:

If you don’t have the right skill-set which the current labor market demands, then you will have a HELL of a hard time finding work. The logical solution to this dilemma is to obtain the necessary skills, so as to alleviate the problem. Instead, the entitlement minded want to BLAME the successful in our country.

Instead what we see: http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/10/16/us-protests-idUSTRE79E0FC20111016

What really galvanizes my outlook on these protests isn’t the basis for their dissatisfaction. IT IS how they are targeting institutions for somehow not creating equality? I mean… what planet do these people live on? An institution such as a bank or a fortune 500 company is an entity which is self preserving. For this very reason, the institution must operate in an environment. Guess who pulls the strings on how the environment operates???? That’s right you guessed it; the good old politicians of America.

Now, have the politicians taken the heat for a stubbornly high unemployment rate? How have the politicians (both liberal and conservative) addressed and answered for this volatile economic environment?

Does social welfare plan to eliminate poverty? Over the last 40 years has poverty been mitigated? Government spending to address it has bloated…. So WTF is going on there?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GklCBvS-eI

THERE ARE JOBS, but they exist for those who have ambitions, dreams and motivations which propel them along. How can you argue this logic with an exception?

The exception: People who are discriminated against unjustly for whatever reason deserve to be rewarded.

Let’s say you hold constant the people who fuck up their lives and make poor decisions. The pool of individuals left is truly wronged. These truly wronged people want to have equal opportunity. How can society compensate these individuals for being ill bodied and wronged?

The Solution: Lol… IT ALREADY EXISTS and it’s called the court of law! You punish firms who discriminate illegally. Not with the horse shit Obama legislation (companies that interview and don’t hire get sued for discriminating long term unemployed). You have to actually commit a wrong. Companies SHOULD hire the best candidate. I’m all for competition because it mitigates negligence. So YEAH some people are better crafted for certain jobs…

Punch Line: Insinuating that Institutions should take sole responsibility for the housing market bubble in 2008 is ignorant. The current economic environment is NOT going to placate from increased government spending on entitlements. The people protesting on Wall Street have no real basis for protesting equity distribution in America. The people protesting on Wall Street should REALLY learn how banking actually works before they make social warfare a central driver. The people protesting on Wall Street SHOULD NOT falsely claim to represent ANY significant portion of “disgruntled” American demographic. It is nonsense!

The imagery arising out of this mockery is an absolute disgrace. Want to address poverty??? Well DO SO in a fashion that actually impacts people positively. Go open a business, go start a company, be productive, contribute to society, express your ideas about technology and innovation, utilize the ease of access to information that we have as a great nation, inspire others to work hard, save your money and pay off your debt, make wise consumer decisions, BE FORWARD LOOKING.

*In life… there are sheep and there are the dynamics of chess, sheep get slaughtered for simply following the general flow, fear drives sheep and sheep can easily be controlled. The people protesting on Wall Street are sheep.

The pawns are the people like myself who WILL have a job by the time they graduate because they think 4, 5, 6 moves in advance and they plan, anticipate and gauge the variables at play and they articulate their expectations accordingly.

I will ask a simple question. WHY should people like me, be increasingly penalized for pursuing success? What right, does ANYONE have to tell me I’m too successful and too greedy and too knowledgeable? I’m more concerned about individuals, governments and groups manipulating the masses into BLINDLY assailing corporations for all their woes. This… in itself is a disgrace.

Think about that before you come at this issue with “exceptions”. Exceptions mean nothing to me and they CERTAINTLY should not be the basis for penalizing success. The success is what supports the structure and it is what motivates the masses. You take that… and good luck with entitlements. You wanna chop off the legs of society and somehow expect to spring instead of crawl? It is nonsense

Anonymous

You said, "An institution such as a bank or a fortune 500 company is an entity which is self preserving." No doubt!

Who creates/sanctions the creation of any institution or even property rights, and runs the courts and police systems in support of it all? The people do, or at least a government representing the people is supposed to do so. So people do have a right to give corporations standards for behavior and shut them down when they don't meet expectations? And those expectations can and should reflect what kind of activity is sustainable on a finite planet.

But right now, we the people can't hold corporations properly accountable "legally" because of corporate personhood. That has to change, and that is what this movement I think will eventually be all about. The root of our problems in the US.

ABOLISH CORPORATE PERSONHOOD

And change the definition/charter of a corporation while we are at it, and make sure the communities they operate in, and labor as well as capital they draw from are also represented on the board of directors Profit is not everything. We as a people hold other values. And while we can and should reward hard work and success doing worthwhile tasks, and want successful and talented people as leaders, I'll settle for the ones who have some sense of knowing when enough is enough - decent people. If $500K or a full million in your pocket for a years work doing anything isn't enough, maybe you should see a therapist. I sure don't want someone that insecure or insane captaining the ship I'm on, even if they are talented.

Anonymous

You said, "An institution such as a bank or a fortune 500 company is an entity which is self preserving." No doubt!

Who creates/sanctions the creation of any institution or even property rights, and runs the courts and police systems in support of it all? The people do, or at least a government representing the people is supposed to do so. So people do have a right to give corporations standards for behavior and shut them down when they don't meet expectations? And those expectations can and should reflect what kind of activity is sustainable on a finite planet.

But right now, we the people can't hold corporations properly accountable "legally" because of corporate personhood. That has to change, and that is what this movement I think will eventually be all about. The root of our problems in the US.

ABOLISH CORPORATE PERSONHOOD

And change the definition/charter of a corporation while we are at it, and make sure the communities they operate in, and labor as well as capital they draw from are also represented on the board of directors Profit is not everything. We as a people hold other values. And while we can and should reward hard work and success doing worthwhile tasks, and want successful and talented people as leaders, I'll settle for the ones who have some sense of knowing when enough is enough - decent people. If $500K or a full million in your pocket for a years work doing anything isn't enough, maybe you should see a therapist. I sure don't want someone that insecure or insane captaining the ship I'm on, even if they are talented.

Anonymous

Your argument exists in a vacuum. In a vacuum that denies the passage of time and what 30 years of supply-side economics has done to the nation's middle class.

This is not about "entitlements" and it is semi-hilarious you would use that word without seeing the entitlement-attitude that pervades Wall Street.

Your arguing with the past. It is empirically and painfully obvious that there is massive systemic fraud, and failure in place in Wall Street, that propagates itself and is blind to it's own weaknesses, it's own self-sabotaging mechanisms. Which is fine with me. Let it fail. Let the market drive out the weak, but apparently in an oligarchy, this is not allowed to happen, because the failure is socialized and the 99% must pay for the incompetence and reckless risk taking (and worse really, criminality and subterfuge and over-speculation and manipulation and the apparently legal bribes they can give to politicians).

If I am robbed, I have a right to seek justice. That is not an "entitlement." It is a basic element of a civilized people. The 99% have been robbed and are being robbed of their future.

Not everyone wants to be a billionaire. Some people want to do something worthwhile with their lives, make something, discover something, help something. The greed of Wall Street is a cancer eating away at all the best motivations of the country.

Of course people are greedy. They can also be murderous and sadistic. Should those things also be allowed because they're "basic human emotions"?

Like I said: You are arguing in a bubble with boilerplate points and ridiculous assumptions.

And you can't win an argument if you can't even open your eyes to what's really happening here, and it'ssomething deeper and more complex and more paradigmatic than your tired Milton Friedman/Ayn Rand boilerplate.

Anonymous

Your argument exists in a vacuum. In a vacuum that denies the passage of time and what 30 years of supply-side economics has done to the nation's middle class.

This is not about "entitlements" and it is semi-hilarious you would use that word without seeing the entitlement-attitude that pervades Wall Street.

Your arguing with the past. It is empirically and painfully obvious that there is massive systemic fraud, and failure in place in Wall Street, that propagates itself and is blind to it's own weaknesses, it's own self-sabotaging mechanisms. Which is fine with me. Let it fail. Let the market drive out the weak, but apparently in an oligarchy, this is not allowed to happen, because the failure is socialized and the 99% must pay for the incompetence and reckless risk taking (and worse really, criminality and subterfuge and over-speculation and manipulation and the apparently legal bribes they can give to politicians).

If I am robbed, I have a right to seek justice. That is not an "entitlement." It is a basic element of a civilized people. The 99% have been robbed and are being robbed of their future.

Not everyone wants to be a billionaire. Some people want to do something worthwhile with their lives, make something, discover something, help something. The greed of Wall Street is a cancer eating away at all the best motivations of the country.

Of course people are greedy. They can also be murderous and sadistic. Should those things also be allowed because they're "basic human emotions"?

Like I said: You are arguing in a bubble with boilerplate points and ridiculous assumptions.

And you can't win an argument if you can't even open your eyes to what's really happening here, and it'ssomething deeper and more complex and more paradigmatic than your tired Milton Friedman/Ayn Rand boilerplate.

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