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America's Decline

Thomas Friedman, David Brooks, Charlie Rose and Kono Matsu square off.

“I personally think that we need a third party. I think we are caught in the middle of a corrupt duopoly that cannot get to the right answers anymore because of a lot of deeply embedded things that have happened to American politics. I think we need to blow this system wide open. I hope the Tea Party is just a precursor of something much bigger.”
Tom Friedman on Charlie Rose

“I have made a career out of making fun of all the decline warnings that have happened over the last 30 years, but nonetheless I am more pessimistic now than I ever have been before. In part because we have a government problem. As Tom says, we have a duopoly, two parties growing ever more rigid, ever more incapable of functioning. And secondly we have a middle age problem … Mancur Olson wrote a great book called The Rise and Decline of Nations, about how as nations become more middle-aged they become encrusted with arrangements and habits and things which slow them down. And I think that’s happening, certainly on a governmental level, the crony capitalism that is now the norm in Washington. And I think it’s happening economically, the decline in small business formation, the stagnation of middle-class wages. These are long-term, not cyclical, problems. So I’m much more pessimistic than I was, and see a potential at least for some absolute decline without some sort of gigantic shakeup of the political system in the way Tom envisions. I don’t see a third party there right now, but I hope so.”
David Brooks on Charlie Rose

THE RISE OF THE TRUECOST
PARTY OF AMERICA


Hey Charlie Rose, I still really enjoy the occasional wake-up moments you deliver like the ones above, but lately I’m feeling downright antsy sitting here night after night watching your TV talk show avoid the big questions. At a time when America is in economic, political and cultural free fall, where are the radical voices envisioning a new future? Where are the ecological economists, the outside thinkers, the voices from the far left and far right, the protest organizers, the anarchists, the downshifters and the indigenous sages? Where are Norman Finkelstein, Saul Newman, Manuel Castells? Damn it, Charlie, why can’t you break out of your New York echo chamber every now and again and give us the next Ivan Illich, Michel Foucault or Malcolm X?

Kono Matsu

What do you think? What is the status of our intellectual elite? Who are the outside thinkers paving the way towards a better tomorrow? Share them below.

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Anonymous

I've done my homework, but I'm sure that it doesn't count for much when you're basically making up your positions in fantasyland, where the universe in your head doesn't follow the same rules as the real one.

Step back a bit and look at your argument. You don't like corporations. You say they are killing small business, because they provide food and goods at lower prices, making them affordable for the poor. So, you want corporations gone, or regulated so they can't provide those services? You want to deprive the poor of their source of affordable goods? You want them to starve? Is that what you're saying?

Before corporations, the poor got by. With corporations, the only thing that has changed is an increase in choices. I understand what you're trying to say, however you're just avoiding personal responsibility by positing that since corporations often offer a better choice, that they are the only choice. If you choose not to acknowledge your choice, then you might as well drop the point, because I'm not really interested in wasting time on further arguments about how limited is your perception.

Now to address an even more ridiculous point that you tried to make: If you want organic food, then yes you can get it with lots of money. Or you can...
Wait for it... Wait for it... GROW IT YOURSELF!

It's a PLANT. For petes sake. A corporation does not privatize or trademark your right to grow a plant, or for that matter to provide yourself or your community any other basic need. Again this is another example of a choice that you choose to ignore. You speak of responsibility, but you abandon the responsibility of your own intellect; again, you just want the government to regulate the things at which you've decided to direct blame.

Like I said in my last post, you don't have to participate in a corporate activity. There's no reason that you or anyone else can't start growing food, making clothes, or providing health care at affordable prices and selling/bartering with others who are poor or want to be separate from the corporate environment. There are only two things that serve to stop you: your own lack of will, and government regulation keeping you down.

Case in point, you know what's really ironic about your example? Don't you realize that the government regulation you crave is one of the things keeping organic foods down? There is a *reason* that organic food is so expensive, and it's not because of the corporations: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MVwdv5HBVQ

And... the "sun tax"? Do you understand that it is the government, not corporations, that levy taxes? You're blaming the corporations for this, even though it is among the overregulation that you seem to espouse. Does that sort of reasoning make sense on the planet you're from?

It's really about time you let go of the idea that a corporation is some sort of sentient being that operates according to its own will. That's pretty foolish. Corporations are not people, rather they consist *of* people - from the CEO to the working stiff who's just there for a job, and are enabled by the people who sell to and buy from them. And, in a socialist society, enabled by the government that fraternizes with them be it the will of the people or not.

Yes, I agree that many people have done things in the name of business that were in violation of another's rights. Neither I nor Ron Paul have said that they shouldn't be held accountable. In fact, there can not be a libertarian-style free society in which those who harm others are *not* held accountable. Your uninformed preconceptions are laughably wrong. Again, seriously, do your homework, because you're being ridiculous.

The fact is, if you strictly enforce accountability, then much of the current regulation is unnecessary. If a corporation can't count on legal favors, exemptions, and bailouts at the taxpayers' expense, then it can only survive by the will and patronage of the people who choose to participate. If the members of a corporation are held strictly accountable for violations of others' rights, then instead of getting away with it through political favors as they often do, they will have to straighten up or face the consequences. And, if businesses aren't micromanaged by government overregulation, it will encourage growth, innovation, and enable small businesses to compete on their own terms (A regulation that is a small annoyance for a big corporation can be a fatal blow for a small business struggling to grow). The market will correct in terms of production and pricing (notably, with much lower health care prices, among other things).

You don't need to regulate corporations per se, you just need to hold those in charge accountable to the same basic laws as everyone else. However, you have no right to shirk your personal responsiblity by crying like an infant to get corporations regulated because you won't practice what you preach. If you hate corporations yet patron them when you have alternative choices, you're creating your own problem. If you spill McDonalds coffee on yourself, drink lead paint, or use hydrochloric acid to treat your foot fungus, then it's your own damn fault.

Anonymous

I've done my homework, but I'm sure that it doesn't count for much when you're basically making up your positions in fantasyland, where the universe in your head doesn't follow the same rules as the real one.

Step back a bit and look at your argument. You don't like corporations. You say they are killing small business, because they provide food and goods at lower prices, making them affordable for the poor. So, you want corporations gone, or regulated so they can't provide those services? You want to deprive the poor of their source of affordable goods? You want them to starve? Is that what you're saying?

Before corporations, the poor got by. With corporations, the only thing that has changed is an increase in choices. I understand what you're trying to say, however you're just avoiding personal responsibility by positing that since corporations often offer a better choice, that they are the only choice. If you choose not to acknowledge your choice, then you might as well drop the point, because I'm not really interested in wasting time on further arguments about how limited is your perception.

Now to address an even more ridiculous point that you tried to make: If you want organic food, then yes you can get it with lots of money. Or you can...
Wait for it... Wait for it... GROW IT YOURSELF!

It's a PLANT. For petes sake. A corporation does not privatize or trademark your right to grow a plant, or for that matter to provide yourself or your community any other basic need. Again this is another example of a choice that you choose to ignore. You speak of responsibility, but you abandon the responsibility of your own intellect; again, you just want the government to regulate the things at which you've decided to direct blame.

Like I said in my last post, you don't have to participate in a corporate activity. There's no reason that you or anyone else can't start growing food, making clothes, or providing health care at affordable prices and selling/bartering with others who are poor or want to be separate from the corporate environment. There are only two things that serve to stop you: your own lack of will, and government regulation keeping you down.

Case in point, you know what's really ironic about your example? Don't you realize that the government regulation you crave is one of the things keeping organic foods down? There is a *reason* that organic food is so expensive, and it's not because of the corporations: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MVwdv5HBVQ

And... the "sun tax"? Do you understand that it is the government, not corporations, that levy taxes? You're blaming the corporations for this, even though it is among the overregulation that you seem to espouse. Does that sort of reasoning make sense on the planet you're from?

It's really about time you let go of the idea that a corporation is some sort of sentient being that operates according to its own will. That's pretty foolish. Corporations are not people, rather they consist *of* people - from the CEO to the working stiff who's just there for a job, and are enabled by the people who sell to and buy from them. And, in a socialist society, enabled by the government that fraternizes with them be it the will of the people or not.

Yes, I agree that many people have done things in the name of business that were in violation of another's rights. Neither I nor Ron Paul have said that they shouldn't be held accountable. In fact, there can not be a libertarian-style free society in which those who harm others are *not* held accountable. Your uninformed preconceptions are laughably wrong. Again, seriously, do your homework, because you're being ridiculous.

The fact is, if you strictly enforce accountability, then much of the current regulation is unnecessary. If a corporation can't count on legal favors, exemptions, and bailouts at the taxpayers' expense, then it can only survive by the will and patronage of the people who choose to participate. If the members of a corporation are held strictly accountable for violations of others' rights, then instead of getting away with it through political favors as they often do, they will have to straighten up or face the consequences. And, if businesses aren't micromanaged by government overregulation, it will encourage growth, innovation, and enable small businesses to compete on their own terms (A regulation that is a small annoyance for a big corporation can be a fatal blow for a small business struggling to grow). The market will correct in terms of production and pricing (notably, with much lower health care prices, among other things).

You don't need to regulate corporations per se, you just need to hold those in charge accountable to the same basic laws as everyone else. However, you have no right to shirk your personal responsiblity by crying like an infant to get corporations regulated because you won't practice what you preach. If you hate corporations yet patron them when you have alternative choices, you're creating your own problem. If you spill McDonalds coffee on yourself, drink lead paint, or use hydrochloric acid to treat your foot fungus, then it's your own damn fault.

Anonymous

you want to sound voice-or-reason. i get it. but corporations _are_ single, gargantuan entities. big ones are. its unbelievable how little taxes they pay (http://www.npr.org/2011/09/10/138867588/corporate-taxes-how-low-can-you-go) and just generally how much havok they reek.

Anonymous

you want to sound voice-or-reason. i get it. but corporations _are_ single, gargantuan entities. big ones are. its unbelievable how little taxes they pay (http://www.npr.org/2011/09/10/138867588/corporate-taxes-how-low-can-you-go) and just generally how much havok they reek.

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