Moral Collapse of a Nation
The son of an Afghan farmer, who was killed on Jan. 15, 2010. A member of the "kill team" is posing behind him.
The actual existence of torture in American jails is well known. Nonetheless, the publication on 16 April 2009, by the new United States administration, of documents that had hitherto been kept secret revealed details concerning the actual way in which torture was being carried out. I will briefly summarize these facts.
One is struck, first of all, by the incredibly persnickety regulations that were formulated in the CIA manuals and taken over by the legal authorities in the government. Up until then it had been possible to imagine that the practices of torture were what are called “blunders,” involuntary transgressions of the norms, occasioned by the urgency of the situation. Now on the contrary, it is clear that these were procedures fixed down to their least details, to the nearest inch and the nearest second.
They are divided into three categories, each of which comprises several degrees of intensity: preparatory (nakedness, manipulated feeding, sleep deprivation), corrective (blows) and coercive (being hosed with water, locked in boxes, or subjected to torture by immersion). Slaps on the face must be administered by the fingers spread out, halfway between the tip of the chin and the bottom of the earlobe. Hosing a naked prisoner with water can last for 20 minutes if the water is at 5°C, 40 if it is at 10°C, and up to 60 if it is 15°C. Sleep deprivation must not last longer than 180 hours, but, after 8 hours’ rest, they can begin again. Torture by immersion can last up to 12 seconds, no more than 2 hours per day, for 30 consecutive days (a particularly tough prisoner underwent this torture 183 times over, in March 2003). A prisoner should not be locked in a box for more than 2 hours, but if the box allows the prisoner to stand upright, he can stay there up to eight hours at a stretch, 18 hours per day. If you put an insect in with him, you cannot tell the prisoner that its sting will be extremely painful or indeed deadly. And so on and so forth, for page after page.
The indispensable partners of the torturers are the government’s legal advisers, who are there to ensure that their colleagues are immune from prosecution. This, too, is new: torture is no longer represented as an infraction of the common norm, regrettable but excusable; it is the legal norm. With this in mind, lawyers resort to another series of techniques. To get around the law, interrogations need to be conducted outside the United States, even if this means American bases. According to the official legal definitions, there is torture when the intention to produce intense suffering can be attested; so it will be suggested to the torturers that they deny the presence of any such intention. So slaps on the face are given not to produce any pain, but to cause surprise and humiliation. Being locked in a box is not meant to lead to sensory disorientation, but to make the prisoner feel uncomfortable! The torturer must always insist on his “good faith,” his “honest beliefs” and his reasonable premises. Euphemisms must be systematically employed: “reinforced techniques” instead of torture; “expert interrogator” for torturer. Care must also be taken to avoid leaving any material traces, and for this reason mental destruction is preferable to physical damage; for this reason, too, any visual recording of sessions is to be destroyed afterwards.
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Anonymous
Man this is sick!I'm not about to wade into the Europe vs USA argument nor do I see the point in comparing the methods of fringe Muslim groups with America, I will however say this!America and Americans have for a long time referred to their country as the land of the free and the home of the brave, but how brave is it to torture prisoners, to subjugate other nations and install puppet dictators to run those nations?!The United States used to be a beacon of hope and to a certain extent, envy, for the rest of the world, but now most of us view the US as a nation of hypocrites and destroyers, more concerned with the wealth and sovereignty of its bourgeoisie than the struggle's of the wider world!The "legalisation" of torture is the death knell of America, of the land viewed as a safe haven for refugee's and incumbents alike!
Anonymous
Man this is sick!I'm not about to wade into the Europe vs USA argument nor do I see the point in comparing the methods of fringe Muslim groups with America, I will however say this!America and Americans have for a long time referred to their country as the land of the free and the home of the brave, but how brave is it to torture prisoners, to subjugate other nations and install puppet dictators to run those nations?!The United States used to be a beacon of hope and to a certain extent, envy, for the rest of the world, but now most of us view the US as a nation of hypocrites and destroyers, more concerned with the wealth and sovereignty of its bourgeoisie than the struggle's of the wider world!The "legalisation" of torture is the death knell of America, of the land viewed as a safe haven for refugee's and incumbents alike!
Anonymous
Reminiscent of manuals that were produced in Europe by religious inquisitors to safeguard society from witchcraft etc.
Anonymous
Reminiscent of manuals that were produced in Europe by religious inquisitors to safeguard society from witchcraft etc.
krissthesexyatheist
A slap in the face is the least of your worries and a slap on the face frackin' hurts. In the case of getting OBL was it OK to use torture. Did finding him and then ass-assinating him (just call it what it was) increase the sum total happiness. Is the world a better place for him going to meet his 72 virgins (which sound laborious to me, I'd rather have experience, anyways...).
It reminds me of the classic "A train is rolling down the track and you can save one life but..." Did killing dude save more lives or will it result in more terrorism (which was gonna happen anyway).
'We' celebrated his demise by dancing and shouting 'our chant'. The looks on peeps faces were genuinely joyous, happy. The language in this peace try's to minimize what torture is-painful. "Slaps on the face are used to cause surprise and humiliation, locked in the box is to make the prisoner feel uncomfortable, reinforced techniques instead of torture..."
(As a supposedly Christian nation) We celebrated a humans, a bad human, violent end-and some freaks want to see the photos (yuck). Personally, in the train scenario, if I only knew the facts given, I would switch the track and kill one peep, but saving many. I think that was what was done w/torture and getting OBL in this case. I guess the future will tell.
krissthesexyatheist
A slap in the face is the least of your worries and a slap on the face frackin' hurts. In the case of getting OBL was it OK to use torture. Did finding him and then ass-assinating him (just call it what it was) increase the sum total happiness. Is the world a better place for him going to meet his 72 virgins (which sound laborious to me, I'd rather have experience, anyways...).
It reminds me of the classic "A train is rolling down the track and you can save one life but..." Did killing dude save more lives or will it result in more terrorism (which was gonna happen anyway).
'We' celebrated his demise by dancing and shouting 'our chant'. The looks on peeps faces were genuinely joyous, happy. The language in this peace try's to minimize what torture is-painful. "Slaps on the face are used to cause surprise and humiliation, locked in the box is to make the prisoner feel uncomfortable, reinforced techniques instead of torture..."
(As a supposedly Christian nation) We celebrated a humans, a bad human, violent end-and some freaks want to see the photos (yuck). Personally, in the train scenario, if I only knew the facts given, I would switch the track and kill one peep, but saving many. I think that was what was done w/torture and getting OBL in this case. I guess the future will tell.
Anonymous
Well I guess the PR machinery of the United States of Israel is working cause you still fall for this torture nonsense.
Repeatedly and consistently this fact is made clear and then forgotten: Torture does very little for actionable intelligence gathering.
The main purpose of torture is to assuage the hate and rage of tyrants and to instill fear in domestic populations. It wasn't torture that led to Bin Ladens alleged death is was surveillance and bribes, and following leads in the field. Same way it always has led to the vast majority of actionable intelligence. Torturing people rarely produces anything that hasn't already been known or wouldn't have been known by less controversial means.
Sad that Americans are so brainless in this regard as they are tacitly and overtly behind most of the torture being conducted in the world today. It's all being done for your Big Macs... Happy?
Anonymous
Well I guess the PR machinery of the United States of Israel is working cause you still fall for this torture nonsense.
Repeatedly and consistently this fact is made clear and then forgotten: Torture does very little for actionable intelligence gathering.
The main purpose of torture is to assuage the hate and rage of tyrants and to instill fear in domestic populations. It wasn't torture that led to Bin Ladens alleged death is was surveillance and bribes, and following leads in the field. Same way it always has led to the vast majority of actionable intelligence. Torturing people rarely produces anything that hasn't already been known or wouldn't have been known by less controversial means.
Sad that Americans are so brainless in this regard as they are tacitly and overtly behind most of the torture being conducted in the world today. It's all being done for your Big Macs... Happy?
biancamano
I don't often find the idea of loss of human life to be a good thing. This man was not a good man. He killed thousands upon thousands of children, men and women from all walks of life and all regions. The world feels cleaner just knowing he is no longer breathing. I am grateful that my children will not be born into a world with him on it. He is not the only bad man, and he is not the only perpetrator of his crimes, but some men just need killing. There is no evidence torture was used in finding Bin Laden. Please back your stuff up with fact.
biancamano
I don't often find the idea of loss of human life to be a good thing. This man was not a good man. He killed thousands upon thousands of children, men and women from all walks of life and all regions. The world feels cleaner just knowing he is no longer breathing. I am grateful that my children will not be born into a world with him on it. He is not the only bad man, and he is not the only perpetrator of his crimes, but some men just need killing. There is no evidence torture was used in finding Bin Laden. Please back your stuff up with fact.
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