It is unfortunate that we live in a world of bias but we do. All Vegan arguments are the same, as are all Carnivore arguments.

The science is clear - we are OMNIVORES - we need meat (not a lot, but some) and we need vegetables (a lot) and fruit. This is what our bodies need to function.

Because we have intelligence we believe we can elevate ourselves above our animal natures but we cannot and should not. We should be true to ourselves.

And being true to ourselves is that we do not need commercial butchering of animals to survive. We do not need their milk after 6 months of age. We do not need to slaughter millions of animals just to like store shelves with slabs of plastic wrapped meat.

This is where our greed has taken over our intelligence. If we can get $10k for a tuna, how much can we get for a million tuna? If we can milk a cow and make $3 a bottle, how much can we make off a million bottles?

The argument of vegan vs vegetarian vs meat eater is pointless. We all need a balanced diet of meats, grains, and vegetables/fruits. Write as many books and articles as you want but the truth remains.

What we do not need is the money-making aspect associated with over harvesting animals and plants.

One thing about American culture - we never look at the specifics, only what pertains to us and our "ideals". We want to defend our stance because we believe it is right. But it is only an individual stance and not one that is good for everyone. Look at any topic that is rammed down our throats because someone wants us to side with them - religion, politics, Mac vs PC - whatever. We need community to make us feel we are correct and doing the right thing.

"I am a vegan and thus I must fight for the vegan lifestyle." Good for you. But vegan diets do NOT work for everyone. We all have needs that only WE can know. And it's not about politics. It's about understanding our bodies and what we need to be healthy. Not some ideas from a disconnected author in a book that writes 1000 pages on generalizations from manipulatable statistics. What do YOU need to be healthy? Only one person can answer that question. And unfortunately that is the one mired in so many biases and opinions that we have forgotten how to listen to ourselves.

Fight greed, fight abuse. But don't fight what you need because you think it is right. Your body needs what it needs. That is science. Everything else is subjective rhetoric that is tired and stale.

No, we cannot. And will not until its gone. Which wil be too late.

Not eating fish, eh? Tell that to the japanese. It's like telling americans not to eat junk anymore. Simply impossible. No matter how much you and me want it, changing an enitre popullation's eating habits completely is difficult,on the one hand, and unhealthy on the other. A more simple way would be to tell americans not to eat fish and the japanese not to eat junk. That way we save both the fish and the junk. Kidding. Globalisation of the food industry is to blame for the situation we are in now and needs to be stopped. People should stick to eating what they have in the local area. Nothing more.

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Of course vegans are biased against meat, and stopping there, its fine to be against the industry, etc. ... but sir, look at what I'm saying. Biased science is botched science. When I go scouting for nutritional SCIENCE on the subject, i rarely find anything that hasn't been effected by the author's bias, whether pro-meat or anti-meat. Page upon page of justification/condemnation of meat eating is simply not science. Science is cold. Science is dispassionate. You and I on the other hand are vehement. One doesn't do math when ones pissed, one would fuck it up! All I am saying is that approaching something that struggles to be empirical as it is with an agenda muddles it even further, squandering my or anyone else' effort to find out the numbers for truth!

I was reading, I forget which it was, but some kind of vegetarian magazine. There was some religious cult that forbid eating animals and animal products, and i was reading the letters of people who had written in, and so many of them were EXTOLLING the cult! I found it disgusting. Lies and propaganda and brainwashing are not legitimate means to an end here. And the same goes for faulty science with an agenda.

I am completely aligned with your views on the animal industry. And I'm not reluctant to give up meat. What I am saying is that if the path to vegetarianism was adequately trodden by dispassionate, unbiased science, perhaps people like me, who are very serious about their health, would more easily walk down it. That being said, at the moment I eat fish (self-caught) and eggs, and if the truth would reveal itself, i would be beyond joy to give them up.

I'm not here to take offense or offer offense, and so I hope none of this is taken the wrong way. Thanks for the suggestions, I'm very interested in reading The China Study, Ill probably pick it up. I could recommend to you, for kicks and giggles, the Vegetarian Myth. Not that I subscribe to its ideas, but if you at all want consensus, balance is key.