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Do Abstract Systems Work?

Has our ability to think reached the point of diminishing – or even negative – returns?
Daniel Canogar - Enredos 3, 2008
Daniel Canogar - Enredos 3, 2008

Our species’ hypertrophied linguistic abilities have allowed us to create entire systems composed of elements that we either cannot directly observe or cannot observe at all: mathematics, physics, ideologies, theologies, economies, democracies, technocracies and the like, which manipulate abstractions – symbols and relationships between symbols – rather than the concrete, messy, non-atomistic entities that have specific spatial and temporal extents and that constitute reality for all species. There is a continuum between products of pure thought, like chess or mathematics, sciences which produce theories that can be tested by repeatable direct experiment, like physics and chemistry, and the rest – political science, economics, sociology and the like – which are a hodgepodge of iffy assumptions and similarly iffy statistical techniques. Perfectly formal systems of thought, like logic and mathematics, seem the most rigorous, and have served as the guiding light for all other forms of thinking. But there’s a problem.

The problem is that formal systems don’t work. They have internal consistency, to be sure, and they can do all sorts of amusing tricks, but they don’t map onto reality in a way that isn’t essentially an act of violence. When mapped onto real life, formal systems of thought self-destruct, destroy nature, or, most commonly, both. Wherever we look we see systems that we have contrived run against limits of their own making: Burning fossil fuels causes global warming; plastics decay and produce endocrine disruptors; industrial agriculture depletes aquifers and destroys topsoil; and so on. We are already sitting on a mountain of guaranteed negative outcomes – political, environmental, ecological, economic – and every day those of us who still have a job go to work to pile that mountain a little bit higher.

Although this phenomenon can be observed by anyone who cares to see it, those who have observed it have always laid blame for it on the limitations and the flaws of the systems, never on the limitations and the flaws of the human ability to think and to reason. For some un-reason, we feel that our ability to reason is limitless and infinitely perfectible. Nobody has voiced the idea that the exercise of our ability to think can reach the point of diminishing, then negative, returns. It is yet to be persuasively argued that the human propensity for abstract reasoning is a defect of breeding that leads to collective insanity. Perhaps the argument would have to be made recursively: The faculty in question is so flawed that it is incapable of seeing its own flaws.

Dmitry Orlov – cluborlov.blogspot.com

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Rene

All the negativity towards this article and its author exemplify the thesis.

So in love with our own minds - with ideas.

Try to escape yourselves, for a second.

Grant the possibility that thought can't save you.

Stop gripping your logic as though it will save you from death.

Self-absorbed humans, so entitled by their ability to think abstractly, have lost touch with reality.

Rene

All the negativity towards this article and its author exemplify the thesis.

So in love with our own minds - with ideas.

Try to escape yourselves, for a second.

Grant the possibility that thought can't save you.

Stop gripping your logic as though it will save you from death.

Self-absorbed humans, so entitled by their ability to think abstractly, have lost touch with reality.

nastybrutishshort

From the article: "Although this phenomenon can be observed by anyone who cares to see it…"

…and your comment "Self-absorbed humans, so entitled by their ability to think abstractly, have lost touch with reality."

These statements rely on mankind’s ability to think abstractly. Do you really 'see' global warming? Do you really 'see' plastics decaying into endocrine disruptors? These things cannot be experienced directly so therefore they can’t be "reality" right? Or are you going to tell me that you have some innate extrasensory ability to sense an imbalance in nature? Well I don’t believe you.

nastybrutishshort

From the article: "Although this phenomenon can be observed by anyone who cares to see it…"

…and your comment "Self-absorbed humans, so entitled by their ability to think abstractly, have lost touch with reality."

These statements rely on mankind’s ability to think abstractly. Do you really 'see' global warming? Do you really 'see' plastics decaying into endocrine disruptors? These things cannot be experienced directly so therefore they can’t be "reality" right? Or are you going to tell me that you have some innate extrasensory ability to sense an imbalance in nature? Well I don’t believe you.

Rene

Well, if scientist truly base their theories on facts: than yes, you really can observe all those things at some level.

Did scientists base those theories on things they cannot observe? That's what you are suggesting.

You, like the poster above, seem to think that I'm suggesting we rid ourselves of logic, which is not what I'm suggesting at all.

Just because abstract thought makes humans unique does not imply that it's the only thing worth pursuing. If it were, then our ultimate goal is what? To exist as nothing more than a bunch of ideas "floating around" with no bodies?

Rene

Well, if scientist truly base their theories on facts: than yes, you really can observe all those things at some level.

Did scientists base those theories on things they cannot observe? That's what you are suggesting.

You, like the poster above, seem to think that I'm suggesting we rid ourselves of logic, which is not what I'm suggesting at all.

Just because abstract thought makes humans unique does not imply that it's the only thing worth pursuing. If it were, then our ultimate goal is what? To exist as nothing more than a bunch of ideas "floating around" with no bodies?

Leo Rubinkowski

We're not self-absorbed; we're just celebrating the very thing that makes us human. No one here is proposing that abstract thought will stop death's hand. But it will prolong lives. It may even prolong the life of our species.

If you're averse to logic, go watch Bunuel.

(That's not a slight against Bunuel.)

Leo Rubinkowski

We're not self-absorbed; we're just celebrating the very thing that makes us human. No one here is proposing that abstract thought will stop death's hand. But it will prolong lives. It may even prolong the life of our species.

If you're averse to logic, go watch Bunuel.

(That's not a slight against Bunuel.)

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