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Do Abstract Systems Work?

Has our ability to think reached the point of diminishing – or even negative – returns?
Daniel Canogar - Enredos 3, 2008
Daniel Canogar - Enredos 3, 2008

Our species’ hypertrophied linguistic abilities have allowed us to create entire systems composed of elements that we either cannot directly observe or cannot observe at all: mathematics, physics, ideologies, theologies, economies, democracies, technocracies and the like, which manipulate abstractions – symbols and relationships between symbols – rather than the concrete, messy, non-atomistic entities that have specific spatial and temporal extents and that constitute reality for all species. There is a continuum between products of pure thought, like chess or mathematics, sciences which produce theories that can be tested by repeatable direct experiment, like physics and chemistry, and the rest – political science, economics, sociology and the like – which are a hodgepodge of iffy assumptions and similarly iffy statistical techniques. Perfectly formal systems of thought, like logic and mathematics, seem the most rigorous, and have served as the guiding light for all other forms of thinking. But there’s a problem.

The problem is that formal systems don’t work. They have internal consistency, to be sure, and they can do all sorts of amusing tricks, but they don’t map onto reality in a way that isn’t essentially an act of violence. When mapped onto real life, formal systems of thought self-destruct, destroy nature, or, most commonly, both. Wherever we look we see systems that we have contrived run against limits of their own making: Burning fossil fuels causes global warming; plastics decay and produce endocrine disruptors; industrial agriculture depletes aquifers and destroys topsoil; and so on. We are already sitting on a mountain of guaranteed negative outcomes – political, environmental, ecological, economic – and every day those of us who still have a job go to work to pile that mountain a little bit higher.

Although this phenomenon can be observed by anyone who cares to see it, those who have observed it have always laid blame for it on the limitations and the flaws of the systems, never on the limitations and the flaws of the human ability to think and to reason. For some un-reason, we feel that our ability to reason is limitless and infinitely perfectible. Nobody has voiced the idea that the exercise of our ability to think can reach the point of diminishing, then negative, returns. It is yet to be persuasively argued that the human propensity for abstract reasoning is a defect of breeding that leads to collective insanity. Perhaps the argument would have to be made recursively: The faculty in question is so flawed that it is incapable of seeing its own flaws.

Dmitry Orlov – cluborlov.blogspot.com

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Anonymous

Name a physical paradox, please. As for mathematical ones, I'm not a mathematician, but I know a few who I'm sure would be happy to school you.

Is there any doubt that the scientific method is a better means of ascertaining the nature of the real (i.e., physical) world than religion? It was a new system, a new logic.

The models become more complete, the theories evolve, and technology develops. Then society and individuals go and fuck shit up. Sometimes, though, someone stops the spread of polio.

If you don't want to live in a technological world, go back to the Stone Age. No, I'm sorry, you'd have to trek back further.

Anonymous

Name a physical paradox, please. As for mathematical ones, I'm not a mathematician, but I know a few who I'm sure would be happy to school you.

Is there any doubt that the scientific method is a better means of ascertaining the nature of the real (i.e., physical) world than religion? It was a new system, a new logic.

The models become more complete, the theories evolve, and technology develops. Then society and individuals go and fuck shit up. Sometimes, though, someone stops the spread of polio.

If you don't want to live in a technological world, go back to the Stone Age. No, I'm sorry, you'd have to trek back further.

Ok

http://www.drtruth.org/paradoxes.html
http://www.miskatonic.org/godel.html

"The models become more complete, the theories evolve, and technology develops." -- That's a paradox right there you moron. How can a model be "more complete"? It is either complete or it isn't. You're like a deluded Apple fanboy who believes that products are getting "more perfect" by the day and that some day science will make things "really, really, perfect". Putting your hope in the future, in technological progress, is just as delusional as believing in the afterlife. The intellectuals only preach crap like yours so they can keep their cushy tenure track positions, and the corporations use the same strategy to get you to buy shit, i.e. Bank of America's new slogan: "America, getting stronger everyday."

Or in your case, "Technology, everything will be alright."

Ok

http://www.drtruth.org/paradoxes.html
http://www.miskatonic.org/godel.html

"The models become more complete, the theories evolve, and technology develops." -- That's a paradox right there you moron. How can a model be "more complete"? It is either complete or it isn't. You're like a deluded Apple fanboy who believes that products are getting "more perfect" by the day and that some day science will make things "really, really, perfect". Putting your hope in the future, in technological progress, is just as delusional as believing in the afterlife. The intellectuals only preach crap like yours so they can keep their cushy tenure track positions, and the corporations use the same strategy to get you to buy shit, i.e. Bank of America's new slogan: "America, getting stronger everyday."

Or in your case, "Technology, everything will be alright."

Leo Rubinkowski

I'll consider myself taken to task on Godel. I'll look and read further, but with a skeptical eye to the source of the information. More on that in a bit.

I'm sorry my inexact use of the word "complete." What I had in mind was a progression toward completion. Descriptions of gravity, for instance: Newton's is damn good, but Einstein's doesn't have a problem with Mercury's orbit. The discovery of elements to fill in holes in the Periodic Table of Elements. Intermediary species. Filling out the zoo of elementary particles that make up the Standard Model, itself now under closer scrutiny than ever before.

As for the first link, there is at least one fundamental misconception or incorrect premise in each of the three situations and conclusions proposed as a paradox. Off the top of my head, the electron that most likely absorbed the proton became more energetic, not more massive. But that's not even a necessary speculation. The equivalence of mass and energy means that whatever is in the box remains in the box. You don't get to add both energy and mass...just one. So it's all conserved in one form or another. | Spin is a property of the particle. The discussion here is almost worthless. | Fundamental misconception here. The length of the meter stick doesn't change. It's just measure differently. These are not equivalent statements.

More amusing than all of that, though, was finding out the identity of the person proposing these false paradoxes: Dr. Truth, who, his Home Page suggests, "'seeks and shares' Wisdom and Knowledge from Biblical Roots."

Too, too much!

Leo Rubinkowski

I'll consider myself taken to task on Godel. I'll look and read further, but with a skeptical eye to the source of the information. More on that in a bit.

I'm sorry my inexact use of the word "complete." What I had in mind was a progression toward completion. Descriptions of gravity, for instance: Newton's is damn good, but Einstein's doesn't have a problem with Mercury's orbit. The discovery of elements to fill in holes in the Periodic Table of Elements. Intermediary species. Filling out the zoo of elementary particles that make up the Standard Model, itself now under closer scrutiny than ever before.

As for the first link, there is at least one fundamental misconception or incorrect premise in each of the three situations and conclusions proposed as a paradox. Off the top of my head, the electron that most likely absorbed the proton became more energetic, not more massive. But that's not even a necessary speculation. The equivalence of mass and energy means that whatever is in the box remains in the box. You don't get to add both energy and mass...just one. So it's all conserved in one form or another. | Spin is a property of the particle. The discussion here is almost worthless. | Fundamental misconception here. The length of the meter stick doesn't change. It's just measure differently. These are not equivalent statements.

More amusing than all of that, though, was finding out the identity of the person proposing these false paradoxes: Dr. Truth, who, his Home Page suggests, "'seeks and shares' Wisdom and Knowledge from Biblical Roots."

Too, too much!

Rene

Complete models cannot become more complete, like the previous reply states.

Apparently, you haven't read Godel, which is what the comment you replied to references.

Godel proves, using mathematics, that mathematical systems can never be compete (I'm not sure if he states never or if he says something like current systems cannot be complete?).

Technology only makes life more comfortable - it does not evolve humans. Many writers today suggest that technology is changing the mind, and of course, technology can alter genes in babies. Is that evolution or is that humans stepping in and claiming their logic is greater than the logic of the universe?

Rene

Complete models cannot become more complete, like the previous reply states.

Apparently, you haven't read Godel, which is what the comment you replied to references.

Godel proves, using mathematics, that mathematical systems can never be compete (I'm not sure if he states never or if he says something like current systems cannot be complete?).

Technology only makes life more comfortable - it does not evolve humans. Many writers today suggest that technology is changing the mind, and of course, technology can alter genes in babies. Is that evolution or is that humans stepping in and claiming their logic is greater than the logic of the universe?

Krs

I read Adbusters because I generally find it thought provoking and a good place to argue points of view with people from all over the place.

Usually articles are well written and, even though I might not agree with them, to the point of whatever message they are trying to put out.

This article starts by asking a question that it not only fails to answer but also redefines in the sentence before the last.

I do not know which is a bigger waste of my time, reading the article, or taking the time to write this comment so that perhaps the editors put a stop to this nihilistic trend that seems to be emerging.

Krs

Krs

I read Adbusters because I generally find it thought provoking and a good place to argue points of view with people from all over the place.

Usually articles are well written and, even though I might not agree with them, to the point of whatever message they are trying to put out.

This article starts by asking a question that it not only fails to answer but also redefines in the sentence before the last.

I do not know which is a bigger waste of my time, reading the article, or taking the time to write this comment so that perhaps the editors put a stop to this nihilistic trend that seems to be emerging.

Krs

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