Do Abstract Systems Work?
Our species’ hypertrophied linguistic abilities have allowed us to create entire systems composed of elements that we either cannot directly observe or cannot observe at all: mathematics, physics, ideologies, theologies, economies, democracies, technocracies and the like, which manipulate abstractions – symbols and relationships between symbols – rather than the concrete, messy, non-atomistic entities that have specific spatial and temporal extents and that constitute reality for all species. There is a continuum between products of pure thought, like chess or mathematics, sciences which produce theories that can be tested by repeatable direct experiment, like physics and chemistry, and the rest – political science, economics, sociology and the like – which are a hodgepodge of iffy assumptions and similarly iffy statistical techniques. Perfectly formal systems of thought, like logic and mathematics, seem the most rigorous, and have served as the guiding light for all other forms of thinking. But there’s a problem.
The problem is that formal systems don’t work. They have internal consistency, to be sure, and they can do all sorts of amusing tricks, but they don’t map onto reality in a way that isn’t essentially an act of violence. When mapped onto real life, formal systems of thought self-destruct, destroy nature, or, most commonly, both. Wherever we look we see systems that we have contrived run against limits of their own making: Burning fossil fuels causes global warming; plastics decay and produce endocrine disruptors; industrial agriculture depletes aquifers and destroys topsoil; and so on. We are already sitting on a mountain of guaranteed negative outcomes – political, environmental, ecological, economic – and every day those of us who still have a job go to work to pile that mountain a little bit higher.
Although this phenomenon can be observed by anyone who cares to see it, those who have observed it have always laid blame for it on the limitations and the flaws of the systems, never on the limitations and the flaws of the human ability to think and to reason. For some un-reason, we feel that our ability to reason is limitless and infinitely perfectible. Nobody has voiced the idea that the exercise of our ability to think can reach the point of diminishing, then negative, returns. It is yet to be persuasively argued that the human propensity for abstract reasoning is a defect of breeding that leads to collective insanity. Perhaps the argument would have to be made recursively: The faculty in question is so flawed that it is incapable of seeing its own flaws.
Dmitry Orlov – cluborlov.blogspot.com
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TN
You're right, it's not algebra's fault that as a species we're a bunch of idiots who blindly perform experiments on the environment. In this I mean that most of the population knows nothing about the specifics of things like the latest BP spill or Chernobyl until after it's a disaster. Because not everyone can comprehend every abstract system we've created, we're forced to place the power in the hands of specialists, who must make the decisions because not ever person can make every decision. This power is inevitably used to find the fine invisible line between maximum profit and disaster.
And yes, it seems that we lack this inability to act in unison, on anything really, results from the fact that evolutionarily speaking we've never had reason to in the past. I.e. in a group of 150 if everyone decides it's a good idea to pour calcium oxide into the soil because it helped increased production in one spot which happened to be too acidic so it balanced out, then they pour some all over their farm land which already had too much alkaline and so everything dies because of a misunderstanding of systems, then they could just move some where else. When most of the habitable places on the planet are already occupied this carelessness no longer flies.
TN
You're right, it's not algebra's fault that as a species we're a bunch of idiots who blindly perform experiments on the environment. In this I mean that most of the population knows nothing about the specifics of things like the latest BP spill or Chernobyl until after it's a disaster. Because not everyone can comprehend every abstract system we've created, we're forced to place the power in the hands of specialists, who must make the decisions because not ever person can make every decision. This power is inevitably used to find the fine invisible line between maximum profit and disaster.
And yes, it seems that we lack this inability to act in unison, on anything really, results from the fact that evolutionarily speaking we've never had reason to in the past. I.e. in a group of 150 if everyone decides it's a good idea to pour calcium oxide into the soil because it helped increased production in one spot which happened to be too acidic so it balanced out, then they pour some all over their farm land which already had too much alkaline and so everything dies because of a misunderstanding of systems, then they could just move some where else. When most of the habitable places on the planet are already occupied this carelessness no longer flies.
Anonymous
The West has always glorified the intellect, reason, and abstraction over everything else. The West has always tried to make the physical world fit into their theories or as Alan Watts once said: "We're trying to straighten out a wiggly world, and no wonder we're in trouble." Millions of books have been written and we are no closer to understanding who or what we are or where we came from. But for some reason we find all this shuffling of symbols which we call the exchange of ideas and communication to be worthwhile, that we are somehow getting some where. We're not getting anywhere. Don't put your faith in the intellect, put your faith in being itself, in what you hear, in what you see, in what you feel. Because the world is happening all around us from moment to moment no matter what you think about it. Trying to explain the world through ideas is like trying to stop a river with your bare hand. Life is a flow, it is not static like geometry. If you focus on the idea you will miss the life that is right in front of your face.
Anonymous
The West has always glorified the intellect, reason, and abstraction over everything else. The West has always tried to make the physical world fit into their theories or as Alan Watts once said: "We're trying to straighten out a wiggly world, and no wonder we're in trouble." Millions of books have been written and we are no closer to understanding who or what we are or where we came from. But for some reason we find all this shuffling of symbols which we call the exchange of ideas and communication to be worthwhile, that we are somehow getting some where. We're not getting anywhere. Don't put your faith in the intellect, put your faith in being itself, in what you hear, in what you see, in what you feel. Because the world is happening all around us from moment to moment no matter what you think about it. Trying to explain the world through ideas is like trying to stop a river with your bare hand. Life is a flow, it is not static like geometry. If you focus on the idea you will miss the life that is right in front of your face.
Dominic
your comment was much more worth a read than the article, to be honest. as somebody else pointed out, this article doesn't even give an answer to anything at all (then again, i suppose the point may be to exercise your own ability to reason rather than somebody tell you through ideology what to do with your brain power)
Dominic
your comment was much more worth a read than the article, to be honest. as somebody else pointed out, this article doesn't even give an answer to anything at all (then again, i suppose the point may be to exercise your own ability to reason rather than somebody tell you through ideology what to do with your brain power)
Anonymous
Try to redirect that river to your crops to feed yourself, try to stop the infection that threatens to kill you, or try to build a sturdy shelter for yourself. You'll need those intellectual musings that sit apart from immediate being. You're spouting bullshit. Please, no more.
Life is not a science, but science makes life livable in many more ways than you seem willing to admit.
Anonymous
Try to redirect that river to your crops to feed yourself, try to stop the infection that threatens to kill you, or try to build a sturdy shelter for yourself. You'll need those intellectual musings that sit apart from immediate being. You're spouting bullshit. Please, no more.
Life is not a science, but science makes life livable in many more ways than you seem willing to admit.
Anonymous
There is the science of building basic shelter for myself and growing my own crops. And then there is the science of mass production and technology that creates more problems then it solves. The former is natural, the latter is the intellect run amok, fueled by greed and hubris.
Anonymous
There is the science of building basic shelter for myself and growing my own crops. And then there is the science of mass production and technology that creates more problems then it solves. The former is natural, the latter is the intellect run amok, fueled by greed and hubris.
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