Do Abstract Systems Work?
Our species’ hypertrophied linguistic abilities have allowed us to create entire systems composed of elements that we either cannot directly observe or cannot observe at all: mathematics, physics, ideologies, theologies, economies, democracies, technocracies and the like, which manipulate abstractions – symbols and relationships between symbols – rather than the concrete, messy, non-atomistic entities that have specific spatial and temporal extents and that constitute reality for all species. There is a continuum between products of pure thought, like chess or mathematics, sciences which produce theories that can be tested by repeatable direct experiment, like physics and chemistry, and the rest – political science, economics, sociology and the like – which are a hodgepodge of iffy assumptions and similarly iffy statistical techniques. Perfectly formal systems of thought, like logic and mathematics, seem the most rigorous, and have served as the guiding light for all other forms of thinking. But there’s a problem.
The problem is that formal systems don’t work. They have internal consistency, to be sure, and they can do all sorts of amusing tricks, but they don’t map onto reality in a way that isn’t essentially an act of violence. When mapped onto real life, formal systems of thought self-destruct, destroy nature, or, most commonly, both. Wherever we look we see systems that we have contrived run against limits of their own making: Burning fossil fuels causes global warming; plastics decay and produce endocrine disruptors; industrial agriculture depletes aquifers and destroys topsoil; and so on. We are already sitting on a mountain of guaranteed negative outcomes – political, environmental, ecological, economic – and every day those of us who still have a job go to work to pile that mountain a little bit higher.
Although this phenomenon can be observed by anyone who cares to see it, those who have observed it have always laid blame for it on the limitations and the flaws of the systems, never on the limitations and the flaws of the human ability to think and to reason. For some un-reason, we feel that our ability to reason is limitless and infinitely perfectible. Nobody has voiced the idea that the exercise of our ability to think can reach the point of diminishing, then negative, returns. It is yet to be persuasively argued that the human propensity for abstract reasoning is a defect of breeding that leads to collective insanity. Perhaps the argument would have to be made recursively: The faculty in question is so flawed that it is incapable of seeing its own flaws.
Dmitry Orlov – cluborlov.blogspot.com
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Anonymous
This video is a good companion to the article.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGCfiv1xtoU
Anonymous
This video is a good companion to the article.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGCfiv1xtoU
modernape
If formal systems of thought do not map onto reality, as you suggest, then they are simply not valid, and can be rejected as attempts to define common experience, plain and simple. The examples you cite - "Burning fossil fuels causes global warming; plastics decay and produce endocrine disruptors; industrial agriculture depletes aquifers and destroys topsoil" are not formal systems, they are concrete, pragmatic ones. So your argument falls at the first hurdle.
Secondly, you say - "It is yet to be persuasively argued that the human propensity for abstract reasoning is a defect of breeding that leads to collective insanity" - this is just preposterous hyperbole, you have not backed this up with anything concrete, much less persuasively argued it, please elucidate if you wish us to consider your theories in any way plausible.
modernape
If formal systems of thought do not map onto reality, as you suggest, then they are simply not valid, and can be rejected as attempts to define common experience, plain and simple. The examples you cite - "Burning fossil fuels causes global warming; plastics decay and produce endocrine disruptors; industrial agriculture depletes aquifers and destroys topsoil" are not formal systems, they are concrete, pragmatic ones. So your argument falls at the first hurdle.
Secondly, you say - "It is yet to be persuasively argued that the human propensity for abstract reasoning is a defect of breeding that leads to collective insanity" - this is just preposterous hyperbole, you have not backed this up with anything concrete, much less persuasively argued it, please elucidate if you wish us to consider your theories in any way plausible.
xgiannak
For all its heated debate, and its root into infinite questions and paradoxes, I like that post. Curious to me that no commenter pointed out the dissociation between the pleasure of creating and manipulating abstractions (and critique them), and the actual benefit of it for real world, society, or even personal well-being of the person performing manipulation.
In that sense our linguistic ability is really hypertrophic and at risk of negative return.
My advice: take a step back, look at this heap of abstract systems, and design your ideal city out of it. Could we agree that historically, the best way to cope with the self-destructing impression linked to any abstract construct was for one's obsession to become a practical tool for the other, so that generational transmission opens up beneficial exploitation beyond the creator's imagination?
Best of luck,
xavier g.
xgiannak
For all its heated debate, and its root into infinite questions and paradoxes, I like that post. Curious to me that no commenter pointed out the dissociation between the pleasure of creating and manipulating abstractions (and critique them), and the actual benefit of it for real world, society, or even personal well-being of the person performing manipulation.
In that sense our linguistic ability is really hypertrophic and at risk of negative return.
My advice: take a step back, look at this heap of abstract systems, and design your ideal city out of it. Could we agree that historically, the best way to cope with the self-destructing impression linked to any abstract construct was for one's obsession to become a practical tool for the other, so that generational transmission opens up beneficial exploitation beyond the creator's imagination?
Best of luck,
xavier g.
Anonymous
Yo, Orlov! Have a look at Nietzsche. That's "N" "i" "ë" "t" "z" "s" "c" "h" "e".
Anonymous
Yo, Orlov! Have a look at Nietzsche. That's "N" "i" "ë" "t" "z" "s" "c" "h" "e".
Kevin Kelley
What about all the good that abstract reasoning does for our society? Writing especially. Iit's the mis-use of our abstract reasoning that gets us into trouble.
Kevin Kelley
What about all the good that abstract reasoning does for our society? Writing especially. Iit's the mis-use of our abstract reasoning that gets us into trouble.
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