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Will Donor Money Destroy Occupy Wall Street?

An emerging existential debate in the movement.

NICK WHALEN

In recent weeks, a series of existential debates have erupted within the Occupy movement. Soul-searching discussions on violence vs. non-violence and leaders vs. leaderless and autonomy vs. consensus are happening everywhere… welcome signs that the core principles of phase two of Occupy are being hashed out organically. Now, a conversation is beginning in New York City with profound implications for the entire movement. Jeff Smith, a member of the Occupy Wall Street press team, explains the situation:

A crowd of about 100 gathered at the West Park Church on the Upper West Side Sunday for an open meeting dedicated to the unveiling of the newly re-named Movement Resource Group. The 501c3 is the latest incarnation of a group of wealthy donors who have been trying to plug into OWS for months…. Six months after OWS began and three months after the NYPD violently “cleaned” Zuccotti Park, there are a lot of occupiers struggling to make ends meet—especially those who are new to activism and are relying on the money coming through the New York City General Assembly, which has nearly run through its remaining funds. The protesters are hungry. And when these latest money men moved in, it felt like a two-way con. The rich people were trying to buy a piece of OWS on the cheap. Desperate protesters were there to see if they could get one over on the rich guys by taking their money without sacrificing anything of value, namely their values.

Read the entire article at The Daily Beast and weigh in below. Do you think Marisa Holmes, a founding Zuccotti, is right that accepting Ben & Jerry’s money will “destroy the very foundation of the movement”?

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Anonymous

CHOOSE LIFE!

While in the present Rat Race we still need some money to live, is it not other stuff we choose that that is the problem. Yet poeple still choose a fucking big television,"washing machines, cars, compact disc players and electrical tin openers. Choose good health, low cholesterol, and dental insurance. Choose fixed interest mortage repayments. Choose a starter home. Choose your friends. Choose leisurewear and matching luggage. Choose a three-piece suite on hire purchase in a range of fucking fabrics.Choose DIY and wondering who the fuck you are on a Sunday morning. Choose sitting on that couch watching mind-numbing, spirit-crushing game shows, stuffing fucking junk food into your mouth. Choose rotting away at the end of it all, pishing your last in a miserable home, nothing more than an embarrassment to the selfish, fucked up brats you spawned to replace yourself."
Trainspotting
John Hodge

Back to the main issue, I am I misreading this or is it being suggested that Occupy should take money from big bussiness and the One %?

Anonymous

Down on the each the reality is pollution and mismanagement of resources, such that your children and their children will be paying the price in the form of health ailments, scarcity, and huge debts that will erode the standard of living which has been set in the past. Because of your unwillingness to see the state of things you perpetuate this cycle of depletion. Why are you so stubbornly convinced that whatever is most obvious and simple for you to understand is somehow the best course? Do you even have the capability to think about these things or do you not have time because your work schedule takes up most of your life? You forgot the dreams of your youth and replaced them with drone mentality which keeps your imagination and ambitions in check. This makes you a productive worker and a bland inept thinker.

You are correct your place in this movement is minimal if not entirely irrelevant. Please try to attempt to understand what it is you are not currently able to grasp. Perhaps in the future you will come to see the importance of these things and what they will have meant to your children and their children.

Anonymous

Here are my thoughts.
Any money you take can support hardwork being done by causes you care about who are willing to share their money with you. These are gifts that can be used wisely and you can track and be transparent about what is given, who is giving it, what was done with the money, and what good impact it has had.
No money can be taken from those who may create an adverse relationship because they will later be asking for favors that you might not agree with and you will feel pressure not to lose your funding.
If you look into nonprofit agencies, some of the biggest offenders who cause the issues the nonprofit is trying to mitigate, are also some of their biggest donors. I don't think this is a coincidence.
There's a difference between donating because you care, and donating because you have a guilty conscience about what your company/service is really doing that you know about, and you want the power to be able to pull the funding on any nonprofit agency that dares to squeal/focus on what your doing that may affect your corporation. Whether that is the reason or not that these relationships exist, who knows, but if it "looks like sh*t" it "may be sh*t" and it's better to have people not have to question at all whether there is a power transfer going on that is to the significant advantage of one party and the disadvantage of another party.

Exchanges to me should be pretty balanced or fair, and when they aren't you should question why they aren't....

But that's just my view...

You yourselves should be willing to support the causes you care about by working for them.
If you aren't willing to work for the causes that you personally care about, then your not really committed to those causes and causes need commitment.

Anonymous

Take Ben & Jerry's money and then boycott them for its farmers use of the carcinogen atrazine -- a toxin that is poisoning Vermont farmworkers, cows, and water supplies.

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"Of course, it might be said that the Individualism generated under conditions of private property is not always, or even as a rule, of a fine or wonderful type, and that the poor, if they have not culture and charm, have still many virtues. Both these statements would be quite true. The possession of private property is very often extremely demoralising, and that is, of course, one of the reasons why Socialism wants to get rid of the institution. In fact, property is really a nuisance. Some years ago people went about the country saying that property has duties. They said it so often and so tediously that, at last, the Church has begun to say it. One hears it now from every pulpit. It is perfectly true. Property not merely has duties, but has so many duties that its possession to any large extent is a bore. It involves endless claims upon one, endless attention to business, endless bother. If property had simply pleasures, we could stand it; but its duties make it unbearable. In the interest of the rich we must get rid of it. The virtues of the poor may be readily admitted, and are much to be regretted. We are often told that the poor are grateful for charity. Some of them are, no doubt, but the best amongst the poor are never grateful. They are ungrateful, discontented, disobedient, and rebellious. They are quite right to be so. Charity they feel to be a ridiculously inadequate mode of partial restitution, or a sentimental dole, usually accompanied by some impertinent attempt on the part of the sentimentalist to tyrannise over their private lives. Why should they be grateful for the crumbs that fall from the rich man’s table? They should be seated at the board, and are beginning to know it. As for being discontented, a man who would not be discontented with such surroundings and such a low mode of life would be a perfect brute. Disobedience, in the eyes of anyone who has read history, is man’s original virtue. It is through disobedience that progress has been made, through disobedience and through rebellion. Sometimes the poor are praised for being thrifty. But to recommend thrift to the poor is both grotesque and insulting. It is like advising a man who is starving to eat less. For a town or country labourer to practise thrift would be absolutely immoral. Man should not be ready to show that he can live like a badly-fed animal. He should decline to live like that, and should either steal or go on the rates, which is considered by many to be a form of stealing. As for begging, it is safer to beg than to take, but it is finer to take than to beg. No: a poor man who is ungrateful, unthrifty, discontented, and rebellious, is probably a real personality, and has much in him. He is at any rate a healthy protest. As for the virtuous poor, one can pity them, of course, but one cannot possibly admire them. They have made private terms with the enemy, and sold their birthright for very bad pottage. They must also be extraordinarily stupid. I can quite understand a man accepting laws that protect private property, and admit of its accumulation, as long as he himself is able under those conditions to realise some form of beautiful and intellectual life. But it is almost incredible to me how a man whose life is marred and made hideous by such laws can possibly acquiesce in their continuance."

- Oscar Wilde, The Soul of Man Under Socialism

Anonymous

I think they should take the money. The people in this movement are not doing it for their own personal benefit. But donors should definitely not have any undue influence whatsoever in OWS policy or decisions.

Anonymous3

hang tight til Chicago.....getting moolah from wealthies is a traditional model. There are other models that have not been discovered. Time and increasing gov/corp actions moving toward fascism will fuel the fire. A slight uptick in the economy will not kill the movement. The gaps continue to widen. There will most likely be several Tunisian street vendors in Chicago who will kick it off. Time always tells.

Anonymous

Agree with Marisa Holmes ~ Integrity of Occupy movement is about keeping $ influence out of equation for voices & decisions ~ Direct democracy in action ~ Why does Ben want control of $ ? Influence? People will still eat Ben & Jerry's ice cream so can't Ben be anonymous? Why is It always about $. Congratulations to Marisa Holmes for standing strong in her passion, integrity, voice, courage & strength to resist $ influence factor.

AKooienga26

Taking money from corporate backers when it's all but overtly stated that they expect something in return is a betrayal of the Occupy movement sure times may be hard now but taking the easy way out by taking some Plutocrat's tainted money is a betrayal of the ideals on which this movement was founded. Simply put hold on to your honor and don't sell out by accepting implicit quid pro quo money.

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