therell always be a system that corresponds with a promoted set of values. if progress likes a more streamined consumerist popularity, then theres a model to drain that too. we accept a hierarchy and the exchange of life for work and understand money is the reward. this reward can be used however we like, and see the social bond when this reward goes straight back up the hierarchy. we agree we dislike uneven profit, but with the disappearance behind collective words, not names, association to responsibility becomes less apparent. nobody liked serfdom, agrarianism or communism but some like capitalism as sort of 'best of'. i can still freely hate the king, but likewise, can still do f*all about it whatever model of economic excellence im presented. how many more tax rises can we take to float current failings whilst trial and error fixes to models go on if at all.

In a blinding moment of clarity in an otherwise muddled existence, George Monbiot allowed the following to escape from his mouth. “In Paris, some of us tried to tackle this question [of the evils of capitalism] in a session called “life after capitalism.” By the end of it, I was as unconvinced by my own answers as I was by everyone else’s. While I was speaking, the words died in my mouth, as it struck me with horrible clarity that as long as incentives to cheat exist (and they always will) none of our alternatives could be applied universally without totalitarianism.”

There will be no "revolution." You will fail, because the facts of life are capitalistic just as Lloyd points out and any contrary ecnomic theory is - by definition - negative. Regulate capitalism to make up for it's shortcomings, but to think that some new "paradigm" is on the horizon is plain silly. As your friend Monbiot points out, post-capitalism can only be achieved via totalitarianism (affirmed by common sense and history) which means that the masses that believe in the supremacy of the individual over the collective will never allow you to succeed. Sorry.

You have nothing to add, only an impotent attempt to deconstruct.

This is exactly why I majored in History...As such, I acknowledge that when it comes to anything remotely involving humans as a variable in any sort of equation there can never be any kind of certainty in the matter. And to be clear...I was always under the impression that pre-historical societies were overwhelming communistic in nature....I understand supply and demand...but that's because I had the benefit of being born in the latter half of the 20th century...In a pre-historical tribal situation people are forced to cooperate and collectivize in order maximize their respective potentials to live...generally. Also, the value of 'things' is nothing but true. Their actual applicable value. An Axe is worth so much because...metal is difficult to forge and only a few people have the skill to make one and it kills and chops and cuts and so on and so forth...Post turn of the 20th century economics seems to have taken the same path as the law did in the United States complex, indecipherable, and with out the contextual understanding of the humanity from which the ideas were created.

I'm bored of McAnonymous and Llyod. We are they obsessively posting on this website with pro-corporate rants on the one hand (McAnonymous) and capitalist-libertarian mumblings on the other (Lloyd). While I appreciate their desire to engage intellectually, maybe they could engage at another website for awhile and give us all a break from their overzealous postings.

It is like when you are in a class and the same one or two people keep raising their hands... Hey McAnonymous and Llyod, can you be quiet for a few weeks and see what everyone else thinks?